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Anslo
Scope Works
#121 - 2014-03-12 05:23:50 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Anslo,

Please explain how camping low sec gates impacts hi sec gankers in the slightest.

Thanks


Proving you nerds dont have the balls to actually go after the pubbies who fight back.

Maybe we should start inviting miners into low to bait you to try to shoot them while we guard them.

But then you'd have to enter low AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT CAN WE.

................\o)

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Brylan Grey
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2014-03-12 06:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Brylan Grey
Gate camping is for the desperate. I mean really. Having 10 long range ishtars or whatever sitting ona gate and murdering a miner or destroyer or whatever because you want the kill board stuff is stupid.

I am new to EVE. And constantly I murder people with kill boards that should make
Me sweat and blush. But they got those numbers being jerks, not being skilled.

So pick one. Be a jerk, or be skilled.

As a note, one if the people that have murdered me over and over again , has my complete respect because it was all about the fight and engagement, catching me when I thought I was strong, not at my weakest.

Seriously. Stop begging for kill board wins, go earn them.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2014-03-12 08:29:13 UTC
Matogg wrote:
Luwc wrote:
LolLolLolLol carebear alert whoop whoop carebear alert whoop whoop LolLolLolLol

The fun thing is. By these whiney threads you attract even more people to gank you because seeing you cry and beeing butthurt is mad fun
.
Also if I loot your ship and get a few T2 harvesters for a T1 destroyer I still make isk out of it.

The idea is that nothing in this game should be without risk and its supposed to be that way.
There is no broken mechanic
Your ideas of "Concord protocted space" are broken.

Please leave EvE or man up. Roll



<3 u Pirate



Ok I'll answer this post just because it's so filled with unoriginal thoughts like "whiney" , "carebear alert" , "cry" and suggestions that there's only one way to enjoy EvE.....yours..... ! Why should you care what I say ? You're out in null-sec , aren't you ? I've made no suggestions for any changes out in null or low-sec or WH space for that matter . If you ganked me out in Fountain I'd probably congratulate you unless you were blue to me . Plus telling me to "leave EvE" says you haven't been reading much of this thread [it's been stated....frequently] . What it does say is that you're probably not one of a hand full of highly vocal pro-gankers with more accounts than most people can afford ! Just a random poster .

The pro-gankers got good reason to be afraid of guys like me . The Gods of EvE might actually be paying attention . They have before . In the beginning high-sec was without protection it seems . Maybe just a few guns here and there . Then gankers made the installation of CONCORD necessary but alas they were weak and might easily be ganked themselves . Thank gankers for the next installation . They gave CONCORD the dreaded Doomsday Devise and made them tougher , maybe impossible to gank . To meet them now is to be driven before them like dust in the solar winds . Still there's room for improvement with organized crime getting bolder and more organized .

Yet there's still gankers who think this causes them to push the envelope further . They remind me of a burglar who discovers a big house with nobody home and a door key hidden in an obvious place . He enters and finds a number expensive items and money that could be pilfered and might even be blamed on somebody the owners knew if he had just kept a low profile , steal them and lock the door behind him . Also it could have been a place he might have been able to visit again ......but....Oh no , not him . He has to get on the phone and call a bunch of friends to back up on the lawn with their cars and clean the place out . His ego you know . So this lets the owners know something is up . The cops dust for fingerprints and find them on the phone he used to call his buddies and instead of wealth , he gets the slammer !

Moral : gankers are afraid that my voice might cause them to loose their big rich house . They really ought to blame themselves for loosing as much as they have already .


you are so full of **** it actually makes me sad.

a) I dont spend 23/7 in Fountain because i am in FA. actually I enjoy Empire Space and FW PVP a lot.

b) "Pro-Ganking" is a term i find rather laughable.

c) my point stands. man the **** up.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#124 - 2014-03-12 09:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Brylan Grey wrote:

Most I'd ask for, is to teach. Tell them what they did wrong or direct them to a place they can take revenge. Turn those care ears into blood thirsty PVPers!

Goal shouldn't be make them quit EVE, but get MORe involved. Hell, I'd admire a high sec ganging corp that asled their victims to seriously join them after. That would be hella cool... Can't join unless a previous victim lol.


Hmm... seems to me that there is an organization pretty much exactly like that in highsec. Except for the "previous victim" thing. They'll accept anybody who wants to participate. Let me do some Google-fu and see if I can find them for you... oh yes, here they are - check out this link to their website.

www.minerbumping.com

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#125 - 2014-03-12 09:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
Anslo I came gunning for you in Huola last night, ready to take on your 40 man blob with my Almost Invincible Incursus, but where were you? Probably cowering somewhere in terror - I couldn't find you anywhere.Pirate

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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#126 - 2014-03-12 11:31:07 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Anslo,

Please explain how camping low sec gates impacts hi sec gankers in the slightest.

Thanks


Proving you nerds dont have the balls to actually go after the pubbies who fight back.

Maybe we should start inviting miners into low to bait you to try to shoot them while we guard them.

But then you'd have to enter low AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT CAN WE.

................\o)


Why would the New Order of HI SEC go to low sec to fight some loud mouth? That's like some WH Corp calling out a null sec alliance, but instead of going to null sec to fight them, expecting them to come to their worm hole. NO ganks miners that have guards quite often, and sometimes even ganks the guard instead of the miner. If miners are going to low sec where they have to pay attention and don't have an omnipotent police force on call, then the NO has won...they don't need to go after them in low sec

Posting on an internet forum dedicated to internet spaceships and calling other people nerds. Sounds legit.

Let me get this straight...gate camping with a fleet of 10+ people killing solo frigates and destroyers with little risk of loss to yourself is leet PvP, but you cry about hi sec gankers who ALWAYS lose their ship? You're not only a tool, but a hypocrite as well.
Lina Drasselbaff
Doomheim
#127 - 2014-03-12 11:51:35 UTC
Matogg wrote:
Lina Drasselbaff wrote:
At least I know you're reading my posts, even if you don't respond to my points.


Lina I don't mean to snub you and yes I read your posts . You give a lot of advice and perhaps I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as insincere . Sarcasm in these forums is sometimes quite subtle , I've found , in the short time I've been posting in them . If you're giving it in legitimate sincerity I apologize .
Thank you for that.

I have also seen how many people use petty insults, recycled phrases such as "go back to wow" and "you're a carebear" (which has about 20 definitions depending who you ask), "give me your tears" and Ad hominems - all of which are designed to attack the poster not the argument and thus I think are pointless. I try hard not to do these so you can take my posts as sincere.
Sarah xCalibre
Pod Liberation Authority
#128 - 2014-03-12 12:11:13 UTC
Petty insults an recycled phrases are the very essence that makes you a leet EvE player, didnt ya know? :P
  • Sarah xCalibre
Anslo
Scope Works
#129 - 2014-03-12 12:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Anslo I came gunning for you in Huola last night, ready to take on your 40 man blob with my Almost Invincible Incursus, but where were you? Probably cowering somewhere in terror - I couldn't find you anywhere.Pirate


What time? We were probably out in a WH or the ass end of Metropolis near Avenod. Try again between 2330-0000.

EDIT: Also, despite being a gank nerd, props to actually entering lowsec.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#130 - 2014-03-12 12:50:37 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:
Anslo,

Please explain how camping low sec gates impacts hi sec gankers in the slightest.

Thanks


Proving you nerds dont have the balls to actually go after the pubbies who fight back.

Maybe we should start inviting miners into low to bait you to try to shoot them while we guard them.

But then you'd have to enter low AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT CAN WE.

................\o)


Why would the New Order of HI SEC go to low sec to fight some loud mouth? That's like some WH Corp calling out a null sec alliance, but instead of going to null sec to fight them, expecting them to come to their worm hole. NO ganks miners that have guards quite often, and sometimes even ganks the guard instead of the miner. If miners are going to low sec where they have to pay attention and don't have an omnipotent police force on call, then the NO has won...they don't need to go after them in low sec

Posting on an internet forum dedicated to internet spaceships and calling other people nerds. Sounds legit.

Let me get this straight...gate camping with a fleet of 10+ people killing solo frigates and destroyers with little risk of loss to yourself is leet PvP, but you cry about hi sec gankers who ALWAYS lose their ship? You're not only a tool, but a hypocrite as well.


And actually, if you did your research, we're the ones REMOVING the gate camps the likes of Nuli Secunda, Periphery, and other nerds who like to gate camp and call it "pvp." Just as bad as ganking miners being called "pvp." Most of our time is spent roving about blapping bads. Hell, we even found an Orca getting shot at by Eve Uni, repp'd it, escorted it back to highsec, and taught the pilot why doing that solo was probably a very bad idea.

If you're going to make a claim or statement against me like saying I'm a hypocrite, at LEAST have the facts to back it up Roll

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Lemon Nado
The Circus Corp
#131 - 2014-03-12 13:56:43 UTC
Blah blah blah.... I personally find that there are two things wrong with this game:
First... If blown up, the stuff should be assigned to the guy who blew it up and the guy blown up. Not "blue" to everyone.
I blow up an NPC.... everybody touching the scarp is flagged. Not so when a player is blown up. STUPID!

Second... If I run into things I don't take damage. We are in a fecking bumper car fair ride armed with AK47's... HUH???

Those two flaws in the game design degrade the otherwise remarkable simulation to look like Ken and Barbies Space Station Play set.

If #1 would be changed the ganker has to come back to claim the loot if blown up in highsec by concord and his buddy can't take it without risk. Or he becomes at least a suspect. WAY more spicy and exciting as the entire environment can become involved in case of a gank. All risk reward. Not gank and run like little princesses. Every real ganker and pirate MUST love this idea because it would relieve him from the grief of being called a friggin princess pirate and candy stealer.

If #2 would be changed a fast flight into an astro field could be the last thing you do. Banging to hard into other ships would cause damage according to mass and speed of both. Docking to fast.... SPLAT! To enter and exit spaces like jump gates or stations an invul timer like the inviz after jump could be installed to prevent mayhem.

Just my 2 isks....

Lina Drasselbaff
Doomheim
#132 - 2014-03-12 14:34:13 UTC
Lemon Nado wrote:
Second... If I run into things I don't take damage. We are in a fecking bumper car fair ride armed with AK47's... HUH???
This was bought up in the bumping thread a few times.

"If someone bumps into me they should take damage", to which the bumpers said okay, I'll park a freighter outside Jita 4-4 undock, watch as all small ships undock and quickly blow themselves up.

"Ah but, what if it only applies if you click the approach button", to which the bumpers said okay, so what if I double click in space to bump you.

"Ah but, it should apply if you turn on your afterburner/mwd and bump someone", to which the bumpers fell out of their chairs laughing.

"And," the victims continued, "it should turn you suspect too! This would of course mean making activating your prop mod a yellow warning", to which some of the bumpers stopped breathing from laughing so hard.

"Ah but...", continue the victims, trying to describe an algorithmic way to detect if a bump was malicious or not, rather than just tanking up their damn ships and learning how to avoid being bumped/ganked.

If bumping did cause damage, it would benefit gankers and bumpers far far more than it would benefit victims, simply because the gankers are innovative, and many victims are lazy.

Not to mention the havoc it would cause in the 1000 strong fleet-based fights.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#133 - 2014-03-12 15:01:11 UTC
Apologies for coming so late to such a quality thread...

Matogg: With each nerf to non-consensual conflict in hisec you kill EvE in a death of 1,000 cuts. If you want theme-park, go to WoW. I will continue to kill-it-forward in your name, and the name of your petition-bear brothers. YOU are killing your bear brothers with this heresy against HTFU, I am just GOD's instrument.

Anslo: Your ePeening and elitism against other pvp'ers while hiding out in an NPC corp is...delicious. Also, your BC killboard at a 4:1 K:D and abysmal ISK lost-to-killed ratio seems a bit outpaced by your mouth? Came expecting a pvp God, left seeing a sheep in blob clothing

F

Would you like to know more?
Meytal
Doomheim
#134 - 2014-03-12 15:19:51 UTC
I'm bored, I'll bite.

You argue that your chosen playstyle doesn't affect anyone else. Unfortunately (for you), that is not true.

Those rocks you mine, you just prevented someone else from mining them; will you give me the ore from the rocks that you took from me?

The items you manufacture, buy, and sell affect the market and hurt the profitability for everyone else on the market; will you send me ISK to compensate me for the damage you have caused me?

Even running missions affects others. Combat missions create wrecks in publicly-accessible places containing loot and can be salvaged, both acts resulting in items that you can sell on the market to hurt my profits again.

Trading missions require you to travel between systems. Jumping from gate to gate affects others, because each jump has to be processed individually. If too many people are jumping, you have to wait in line. If too many people are undocking from a station, you will be bumped like crazy trying to warp off. I missed a deadline on a sale because I had to wait for you to jump through a gate, after bumping into you while we were both undocking at the same time. Will you compensate my loss?


Everything you do in this game affects someone else in some way.
Everything except sitting in a station doing absolutely nothing.

By your own admission, you don't just sit in a station doing absolutely nothing.
Why then should YOU be allowed to affect ME with a playstyle you have chosen, but I not be allowed to affect YOU with a playstyle I have chosen?
Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2014-03-12 15:27:53 UTC
I love when bears tell you that Eve is a sandbox and you should let everyone play as they want.

The biggest misconception here is, while it's true that Eve is a sandbox it doesn't necessarily mean that everyone can do whatever they want whenever they want and however they want without any consequences.

Let me give some basic examples so bears can also understand;

Do you want to mine but the fact is that mining is so boring, you also want to read a book, watch a movie or bang your girlfriend?
That's fine ! Seriously it is.. The game allows you to do that. But as you said my carebear friend, eve is a sandbox and it has a built-in butterfly effect. Nobody really forces you to go AFK, you are willingly giving that decision on your own like an adult (I assume you are an adult) we gankers assume that you guys are mature enough to evaluate the consequences of your actions. And guess what, after getting ganked (which is the inevitable truth and consequence of being AFK) you whine like a little cry baby.

Whining on forums, begging CCP, sending petitions. Gentlemen, either take responsibility of your choices or seriously get out.

Yes Eve is a sandbox. Yes everyone is free to do what they want. But guess what bears, your tears on forums and pre-emptive demands kills "OUR" sandbox.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#136 - 2014-03-12 15:32:55 UTC
I see Anslo is still mis-using the word "griefing", moving the goalposts and resorting to name calling. Some things never change.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Kimo Khan
Rage Against All Reds
GunFam
#137 - 2014-03-12 15:42:54 UTC
Matogg wrote:
They use cheap little throw-away catalysts for the most part but even the new T3 battlecruisers are no big loss compared to the riches that can be carried by some poor unsuspecting frieghter pilot in high-sec carrying the sum total of perhaps 3-4 years accumulation and work in a ship that moves like a snail and can't even fit so much as a defense mod . What i'm saying is if you're ganked in anything other than high-sec you were often just plain unlucky and taking your chances . Not going about your business like in high-sec where you only had a slow reacting CONCORD to depend on to almost save your ship .

Red Frog says it all. Pay them to haul it and charge collateral. If someone ganks them you are not out any money.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2014-03-12 15:54:51 UTC
CCP has never considered high-sec ganking to be griefing.

Yet, if a gank victim feels 'griefed' - and expresses his opinion in public - I consider that to be a huge bonus.

Funny how that works.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2014-03-13 00:35:53 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Anslo wrote:
We 'mouth breathers' did organize into a thing. We've been waiting to be 'put in our place as pubbies.' Sadly, highsec gankers dont seem to like low sec :(


Tell me more, Anslo, what thing did you organize? Don't be cryptic.


He basically did a Gevlon. He set a goal, realised he couldn't achieve the goal, so he moved the goalposts & claimed victory.

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Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#140 - 2014-03-13 01:14:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Matogg wrote:
I didn't expect to be making friends among high-sec gankers and ganker sympathizers and I have only this to say to those who have posted so far in reply .

HI-SEC GANKING IS NOT ANYBODY'S RIGHT ...IT IS ILLEAGLE !

The problem is that a blind eye has been turned to it for the last few years as it steadily got worse . There used to be fun for all not just a minor segment of the playing population who will milk this cow until it can't stand up . CONCORD needs longer arms and sharper teeth .

CONCORD is just like the police in real life, powerless to prevent crime, they can only provide consequences for the offender AFTER the fact and no we are not letting CONCORD kill anyone who locks you just as the real police are not allowed to blow away anyone who looks at another person on the street.

As with much real crime, high sec ganking is frequently a crime of opportunity. They see a chance to make large ISK at the cost of some easily recovered sec status because you have put way too much ISK worth of potential drops in a ship that is far too easily killed. I spent a long time flying a Golem in high sec level 4s and never once got ganked (though I have been ship scanned before). The reason is simple, the ship can only drop at most about 300 mil in modules (almost entirely in a few Caldari Navy BCUs). If it were ganked and drops EVERY faction module it has on it, chances are the gank squad would still lose money or maybe break even. My tank is full T2 because it keeps the cost of the ship low and doesn't help run missions any faster since it adds no dps and I can comfortably tank all level 4s anyway so literally all a deadspace tank would accomplish would be making my Golem a profitable target. The cost of the ships required to gank that ship is very likely to be more than the potential drop so no one will look twice at it.

There is still the possibility some random person will gank my mission alt just to try to ruin my day, but I can afford another one easily if it were ganked (see cardinal rules of EVE for details on this) but anything can be ganked just to ruin your day. It just isn't likely to happen when there's no profit to be had.

Here is an article for you that will help you determine how much of a risk you are running with your expensive ship in space.

http://themittani.com/features/alod-return-investment?page=0%2C2

TL;DR: The best ISK/hour in the game is ganking silly people in high sec, deny them the payout and you won't get ganked.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.