EVE General Discussion

Simply put, newbies are directed towards certain corps because they've specialised in giving newbies a significant hand up the learning curve, and they have the infrastructure to do so.

You know, like a school, where you send children to learn stuff.

Most corporations are extremely focused and ask a lot of commitment from their members. When inviting a friend over to play, i always steer them to E-UNI, simply because they can explore their options at a much more comfortable pace. You don't get called to ops every 2 hours, there's no expectations that you carry a lot of responsibilities, you don't have to worry about making mistakes...

You want new players to have their own fun before they decide whether joining your corp is the best idea for them. E-UNI at least offers a relaxed environment to learn the game in (i don't know much about BNI but i hear they're pretty cool too).

Those new players always have the option of saying 'no' and finding their own way, but in my experience that usually results in them quitting soon after...

Because this is a game people play to have fun. It is not a work, and you are not paid to do it. Some people like to play with likeminded old players and dont have any need/social skill/interest in interacting with new players. Others have a good time teaching new players. Personally I used to like teaching new players. Now several years after, I dont have as much time as I got a full time job, and as part of my job is teaching, having to spend hours of my free sparse spare time teaching instead of having fun is not really what I pay for and mainly feels like work for me. With that said I have had several good conversations with new players, and have given plenty of advise. But there is a long way from that to making a corp/alliance to teach them.

OP victimises.
I've explained and demonstrated how to use directional scan many times.
The charm wears off as a patter develops.
After a while you think: hey, why don't i write this down as a wiki page for the corp?
There could be a bunch of wiki pages in order as a curriculum for newbros, a resource for learners and anyone with the inclination and/or temperament to slap a polite smile on their face and trudge through basic crap for the millionth time.
You're not a victim of any ill treatment OP...and you're talking to people who've made their way before E-Uni or RvB or any of the many training grounds now available.

Good example here:

Someone ask me how to properly set up your overview settings.

Ok, I'll assume one of you did.

This is what I respond.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Overview_Guide

Instead of spending an hour over chat with someone.

And I think this pretty much summarizes the argument in favor of the merits of EVE Uni

You seem a bit delusional, where do you get this concept that 'we', (as if all 'we' eve players think and act as one), from?

So some people have given you advice to join BNI or Eve Uni, which is good advice to be honest for reasons as others have mentioned. Although there a many smaller corporations who will also take up new members and train them up, but they are not as well known, and probably not as efficient as the former two.

Also there is a lot a new player can offer even with minimum skills despite what some others may suggest. What is most important is your attitude and willingness to learn.

Can I ask what exactly are you expecting from the game? It seems you expect to be hand held all the way through your progression, which isn't going to happen. People will give you advice and point you in the right direction, although the work will still have to come from yourself.

Lot of corps including nullsec ones are happy and indeed eager to recruit and train new players.
Goonswarm for instance usually recruits from SA forums and thus people join within minutes of char creation.
My own corp is another.
If you check recruitment chat or the recruitment forums you will see hundreds that offer this.
However most corps especially in high sec but also many of the nullsec pets /renters are clueless and would either not help or postitively harm new player growth /rentention /training.
So what are people supposed to do when asked for advice?
Eve uni is long lasting and well respected teaching for new players.
BN are a large noob friendly PVP corp
RvB are easy access high sec pvp.
From the hundreds of others it is impossible to give impartial informed advice without researching each one exhaustively.
So the above list is a shortcut and doen't rule out other options but it is upto the player to do some research on their own to find a good fit for them.
Personally i researched about 20 corps and joined one i thought would work out. I was lucky and had a great time and learnt a lot.
anyway i just wanted to let you know your premise was mistaken.
fly any damn way you like

BNI isn't a training or Feeder corporation.

They are newbie friendly.

Shocker, you don't get to join the top of the heap out of the box.

EUNI, BNI, RvB are all great corps to break the ground for new players, they provide a fun atmosphere for learning and playing the game, while you train those skill points to levels that the higher tier groups desire. I think you disrespect a lot of people who have put hundreds, maybe thousands of hours into this game to generate content and help ease the learning curve for new players.


That being said since this seems relevant topic.

Established groups are hypocritical to a point. They complain about the status quo, how there is no real turnover, they chide the difficulty for new groups to establish themselves, and when one does attempt to do that (BNI in this case) they spend the next week camping them into station.

"Welcome to the game guys this is what its all about!"

Its no wonder that there is seldom any new blood or turnover in the Nullsec game when everyone in EVE dogpiles onto the new face. Its sad to see, and detracts from the value of the game. I get folks are out to choke the baby in the cradle lest it grows up to fast and seriously contests others, but realistically complaining about "Blue Donuts" then snapping the neck of new emergent groups is highly hypocritical.

But that isn't new...**** if GSF didn't coerce ~whats his nuts~ into doomclicking BOB they would have died in their cradle too.

If you're new to the military you can have a use if you're capable and willing, being a normal grunt. Does that also mean that Special Forces (in whatever form) will right away be happy to take you along or waste time on getting you up to their level? No, they will want you to first "prove yourself" understanding and having learned the basics, being able to work in a team and get the job done. THEN, perhaps, will the be willing to give you a break.

What the OP is asking for is not having picked up a weapon before and straight away being asked into the Seals, Royal Marines or whatever. That's not how stuff works. Prove your worth and you will get your shot.