Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Long-short of it, if certain bot and/or multi-boxing programs are ever considered illegal, it is in my view that anyone made the victim of a item or ship loss to an individual using said illegal bot or boxing programs should have their losses duly compensated and replaced.

Furthermore, perhaps more importantly, a clear definition of what is considered authorized and illegal should be decided upon.

I am aware of the current position of CCP, being that legality of such programs is irrelevant-what is more important is whether or not the ship has a chance to survive an attack done by multiple clients under manual control vs "iso-boxing" control.

I don't decry the potential for ship loss. However, I don't agree with this order of priority.

If the program is illegal (particularly because it could be considered providing an adverse advantage over those taking the time to input commands manually), punishment should be handed down, alongside compensation to the victim. There should be no debate.

I find that any inaction on the part of CCP is a sign of tolerance of this behavior, and as such, it will likely continue and perhaps expand.

In the first weekend of the New Eden Open II, I overheard a remark from CCP commentators celebrating the idea of using automatic multi-boxing programs, and having even more pilots make use of them. I find this disturbing.

Ever take a walk in Jita lately? Or see a 100-man multi-client mining fleet in the ice belts?

Ohh look, another whine about IS-boxers and how it;s "wrong" and should be "banned" even though CP has quoted numerous times they support it :P

No you will not get your ship back, and no, you do not deserve to get your ship back. You loose sir, you get NOTHING; Good day!

CCP does support it and it is going to continues and expand as Eve itself does. Sure it sucks to be on the receiving end of them, but it's no different if 5 people or 1 person, 5 ships is 5 ships killing you no matter whos controlling them.

yawn

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ah this must be about the freighter loss from a month ago. initially I suspected Commander A9 was in a series of Commander A-s

there is a tactic related to multiboxing that is bannable, and that is biomassing gank alts to circumvent killrights, but it's usually seen on catalyst alts, not the T2 blaster talos pilots you met in Niarja

i'm willing to bet this thread came about after a petition was denied. there's no other reason you would stew for a month before posting on the forums about it.

a 4billion ISK freighter deserves some logi or an escort, don't you think? it's the type of thing I use my gang for. and there are plenty of legitimate uses for multiple clients beyond the simple 'moar dps'. having eyes & intel is a big one.

the thought of being limted to 1 client and only seeing my immediate vicinity makes me feel claustrophobic. uniboxers don't know what they're missing.

btw there's no assisting program here, just a multitude of clients. so your whole premise is flawed, that some program should be illegal (not all multiboxers use one). and beyond that, you're arguing that CCP's sidekick and power of two promotions are wrong (or something).

I won't make some snide remark like "good luck with that" because I know your dissatisfaction is simply misdirected. (don't hate the player or the game)

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and no, i do not/would not stick 3 bil into a freighter and undock. use red/black/blue frog

red frog high volume highsec freight services
blue frog high value highsec freight services
black frog low/nullsec freight services

Best part about implants is most gankers dont plan for them. They just assume best skills and run with that. Not everyone can afford them sure but I never actually considered it myself.

word, the damage taken is pretty much the expected EHP of a provi. slaves are expensive, but not an unreasonable investment if regular freighter contracts are your thing. man... that's a hard life.

wait, is that a courier contract scam i'm seeing? I don't know, I've never put anything in plastic wrap.

so potentially Commander A9 lost his freighter and the collateral, = multiboxer and scam

Niarja, though... a .5... means those taloses had a good bit of time to chew on the freighter. off the top of my head, .5 = 25 second (unofficial) response time, and 6x T2 blaster taloses were used... assuming 1600 dps with some overheat, that comes out to ...

6*25*1600 = 240,000 damage

not that i would try it, but it would seem links and slaves can tank a 6 T2 Talos squad?

correction, there were 7 taloses on site. clears 280k damage

lol... ah, and provi because damage type? they seem to be a fav of that player's killboard. it makes so much sense now. excuse me, i'm new. i only came in here initially because multiboxer

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so... wait, about the courier scam thing. if it completes due to whatever reason, you just... send it back the other way through Niarja? ...it might be time for a change of career

Can Confirm most gankers don't consider a freighter with a damnation support and slave set. Even those two bits alone, with no Ewar escort can cause many ganks to fail.





This isn't precisely factual though. As long as nothing your logi are repping agress anything, the logi will be in no more danger than anything else. Yes, they will get a limited engagement timer with the gankers, but those gankers are dead in 20 seconds anyway, and are then stuck waiting for 15 minutes. Plenty of time for you to lose your engagement timer. IF your logi rep any Ewar support you have, then yes, they will inherit whatever timers your Ewar guys have.

Still, a damnation, a couple of griffins, and 2 exequror's/augoror's are WAY more than most gankers plan on having to overcome. Doesn't mean they are fool proof, but they should foil most the 'lols' ganks.

i think it was a fair assessment. I went suspect here, and if your gang is mixed logi and offensive, there are considerations that qualify highsec logi as messy.

those are me, and were the part of my gang that warped to the correct gate--I starbursted to multiple gates to find the suspect, & jumped through after him. I was searching for 4/10 DED sites that day with 2 scimis, 2 oracles, a harpy, a buzzard, and two CS boosters. the rest of me had the day off

I would like to see ISBoxer banned, and to that end I would strongly support people using it to alpha mission bears on station undocks, then have all of the boxes say "GF" in local.

CCP listens to the tears of mission runners sometimes.