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No Content? It's your fault WH dudes.

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Piwat King
Piwat Explorations Enterprises
#1 - 2014-03-11 17:37:13 UTC
I scout Wh space everyday, and lately it's been.....

Empty.

I come here (to the forums) to see what's what periodicly.

I see the same complaint over and over, no content in WH space. Nothing to do people are bored.

Wh space was always about making your own content. Except the large WH corps/alliances have shot themselves in the foot time and time again.

You think to yourselves "Let's evict these guys, they didn't give us a gud fight even tho we outnumber them 3:1" (hail BOB)

So you proceed to remove them, and now there's one less corp/alliance in WH space. Less Content.

Rinse, Repeat.

Every time you evict someone, you remove content from WH space. By leaving them there (esp in C5/C6) you give yourselves a chance to catch them plexing at a future date = creating content.

But every time you evict someone, sure some may come back into WH space, there will be a small percent of players that won't return. reducing the number of people to shoot at.

It's called preservation, we do it in the real world for resources that are renewable (you know replanting forests....) the concept isn't that different in WH space boys and girls.

Next time some idiot comes up with the idea to evict another small group from Wh space remember you're only creating your own boredom.

you have only yourselves to blame.

Flame away. I thought I'd just point out my perspective on the whole situation.

CeNSeR
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-03-11 17:58:33 UTC
Can we have some stats or some form of proof to support your claims.
Dizzy Uzzy
Caldari 1
Caldari Alliance
#3 - 2014-03-11 18:01:28 UTC
Phew I'm glad you pointed this out.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#4 - 2014-03-11 18:27:36 UTC
People are still evicting people?
mechform
#5 - 2014-03-11 18:35:16 UTC
Piwat King wrote:


plexing



leet wormhole terminology. Usually forum alts that do not wormhole complain about lack of content in WH's.

So if you are basing 'your perspective' on the forums, it might not be the best data point to start a discussion on the topic of wh content.

Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#6 - 2014-03-11 18:47:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
These days those kind of evictions happen 9 times out of 10 because either someone wants that hole or has been hired by someone who wants that hole - even in the past when some groups were more inclined to evict people in the manner your talking about it was generally because they had been encountered multiple times with significant numbers online but had always POSed up and/or logged off - it generally didn't happen just because, there aren't many groups left who take that approach to people dodging PVP when they have the numbers for it any more however.
Henry Cummings
Daktaklakpak.
Mince n Tatties
#7 - 2014-03-11 18:49:58 UTC
'Lately' is probably the worst term that could have been used.

How late is lately? Lately there haven't been any high profile evictions. Lately wormhole space has been as empty as it's always been. And if it even has been empty lately, it has had nothing to do with eviction levels, but instead to do with wormhole alliances requiring large numbers to be operational, and those alliances being extremely volatile in comparison to nullsec alliances.

Less large alliances that can sustain their space = less content in that space, save for farmers that pos up as soon as anything enters dscan. If you're seriously expecting those farmers to generate more content by 'plexing' than with a good old fashioned eviction (which no one even does nowadays) than you should seriously reconsider your argument.

That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.

TL:DR you're bad at wormhole space, post with your main. Etc.
MadbaM
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-03-11 19:08:46 UTC  |  Edited by: MadbaM
Ok ill give you some things to consider also OP.

1) Despite what many people think ganking people solo running missions or mining and other assorted PVE activity's while being somewhat entertaining dose not satisfy my lust for full blooded PVP engagements.

2) Catching people actively running capital escalations in C5+ is very hard to do unless there horribly incompetent, it either takes hours for rage rolling with a pre-formed fleet. This is hard to do because its boring and fleets dwindle. The other method is to go full Blood Union on there asses and this in itself also is boring and needs no small amount of foresight.

So taking the first two points into consideration these people provide very little content to other entities in relation to the number of people they fill there systems with. They are usually alts of K-Space scum and when trouble rolls into them logg of and go play on other toons.

The only reason they aren't evicted as much as they deserve to be is because doing so is a very boring and not very profitable undertaking.

So no we aren't shooting ourselves in the foot because these people have no intention of ever providing content apart from maybe the one time a year you manage to catch them out. But by evicting them your sending a message, maybe they regroup and come back hopefully next time they come back with a better attitude.


Bob rewards courage and intelligence in equal measure, bob favors the bold and punishes the cowardly. Be the instrument of his wrath not the focus of his displeasure.
ROSSLINDEN0
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2014-03-11 19:31:09 UTC
Tbh recently iv seen a massive increase in content compared to last year so i think things are getting better, and hopefully the ruskies get more sov so that we get even more content from our c5 -> nulls
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-03-11 20:15:32 UTC  |  Edited by: unimatrix0030
Evictions?
How many large evictions do you count?
I mean succesfull ones where posses were burned.
Most recent one was why so serious but beyond that who else?

I do think there are less people in c5/c6 but other then stories about evictions making people scared i see few reason that people aren't moving into c5-c6 space.
Maybe that don't have enough people?
That is usualy the big problem, or they can't set the pos security to an aceptable level.

No local in null sec would fix everything!

Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#11 - 2014-03-11 20:18:21 UTC
We find fights almost daily in and around C5 space. When we don't, our k-space connections usually offer pew not far away. Lately we've been doing a lot of ops in k-space for learning to fly kitey shield.

For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole).

Wormhole space is also very empty--most holes we roll are empty, but if you pre-occupy yourself with making sleeper gold/scanning further down chains/roaming the k-space entrances, a lot of time you encounter people later on. Its all a matter of ready, willing, and able--knowing how to bait and stalk also helps a lot too.
Winthorp
#12 - 2014-03-11 20:25:50 UTC
Actully i have found our space to be a rather full landscape of late and if memory serves me way back when Two Step was CSM he was able to get stats that showed infact the great majority of tower kilss have been in C1/2 space.

Come back with some stats or scan harder IMO.
The Cue
Violence is the Answer
#13 - 2014-03-11 20:40:58 UTC
Nearly all the complaints I hear about how empty wormhole space is come from people with the wrong static or wrong hole. WH space can seems empty just because there aren't enough probers out exploring more of the chain; more often than not, it's the groups who aren't big enough to probe the huge chains down, but live in a C5/C5. I also hear it from groups who are too big, but have a C3 or C1 static on a C5. In this case, it's the opposite, they have ten people wanting to probe but their chain ends as soon as it starts.

To pretty much everyone who says WH space is dead, I counter by saying, change your hole.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-03-11 20:42:18 UTC
Ive found it rather easy to find things to shoot lately so I have no idea what youre talking about.

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#15 - 2014-03-11 21:32:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Bane Nucleus
Henry Cummings wrote:


That said, I have little experience with sub-c5 space, but it is my understanding their mechanics make evictions even less desirable when confronted with serious wormhole groups.


Two Step posted numbers when he was on the CSM that showed the amount of POSs getting removed in c2 space is almost identical to c5 space. The numbers also showed the average number of people on those POS kills to be very similar as well.

Obviously, just numbers doesn't tell the entire story but I found it to be rather striking.

No trolling please

Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#16 - 2014-03-12 00:16:27 UTC
Getting my warpcorestabbed cloak-fitted nag ready to do some capital plexing round here 8)

Let them sleeper-LP flow!
Nelly Uanos
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#17 - 2014-03-12 00:35:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nelly Uanos
Rall Mekin wrote:
For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole).


We were a bit confused at the start, since your two corp nearly have the same ticker (.EOL vs -EOL)

We then realised you were shooting each other... Lol then stopped doing it. Cry

Until next time! Blink
Nelly Uanos
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#18 - 2014-03-12 00:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nelly Uanos
double post, quoted instead of edit (I'm bad at posting X)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#19 - 2014-03-12 01:12:16 UTC
Nelly Uanos wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole).


We were a bit confused at the start, since your two corp nearly have the same ticker (.EOL vs -EOL)

We then realised you were shooting each other... Lol then stopped doing it. Cry

Until next time! Blink


cause they stole our name Evil
Le'Mon Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-03-12 04:37:40 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Nelly Uanos wrote:
Rall Mekin wrote:
For reference, last night we had a good time having a 3-way with blue-fire and Quebec's Underdog League. There was less blood shed than all would have liked, but volleys were exchanged aplenty. Thanks to all the bros involved, by the way. Blue-Fire are fun guys (after the initial encounter, we sided with blue-fire and camped Quebec... since they had at least one capital on the other side of their wormhole).


We were a bit confused at the start, since your two corp nearly have the same ticker (.EOL vs -EOL)

We then realised you were shooting each other... Lol then stopped doing it. Cry

Until next time! Blink


cause they stole our name Evil



I'm told that's the best form of flattery though.

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