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Ship Skins the new Monocle?

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Aeryn Tiberius
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#61 - 2014-03-10 17:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Aeryn Tiberius
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
...a feature that should be free.



I would also just like to point out that you haven't explained why it should be free.


I stated that in Eve the "lack of customizable aesthetic features in eve have been appalling." In addition, we already have to pay a subscription to play the game. Why should we have to pay more for in game items? This goes back to the great protests.

CCP is testing the waters and I fell that it is important for CCP to consider offering the service for free and only have pilots pay a nominal fee at a station to pay for the painting of your ship. Making it easier to implement in the game. As the market should not have to change. A Rifter would still be a Rifter on the market even if it is pink as the buyer could just re-paint it at a cost if wanted or when it is sold it could just revert back to the vanilla color.
Doireen Kaundur
Doomheim
#62 - 2014-03-10 17:58:59 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Having to purchase ship skins using Aurum is a bad idea. The community for a long time has asked for this feature. It should have been apart of the game a long time ago. The lack of customizable aesthetic features in eve have been appalling.


Actually it's perfect for Aurum IMO. It's cosmetic. No golden ammo for sale. However, you will be drawing attention to yourself, so it can become a liability in the end.

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#63 - 2014-03-10 18:10:32 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Having to purchase ship skins using Aurum is a bad idea. The community for a long time has asked for this feature. It should have been apart of the game a long time ago. The lack of customizable aesthetic features in eve have been appalling. While I am excited about the possibility of maybe changing a ships colors, I will not be paying RL money for a feature that should be free, so that I can fly a slightly different looking ship into battle, all the while paying a monthly subscription fee to play. I have been a loyal player for over 5+ years but I think due to the already lack of customizable aesthetic features, CCP the least you could do is offer it for free!!!!!

P.S. for those of you who do not know

" In the first release of the pilot program we will be introducing eight skins available for Aurum, and one available exclusively through in-game achievement."

"Frigate paint; around 45 AURUM (~$0.23-$0.26) for a single application
Battleship paint; around 350 AURUM (~$1.75-$2.00) for a single application"



No way near being the new monocle. You're not paying $70 for it now, are you? At least you can actually use it in game, and just not be a dress up item only you can see when you're in the CQ or look at your portrait like a monocle.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#64 - 2014-03-10 18:13:31 UTC
eFart wrote:
u need to buy the monocle first u can only see the paintings on the new ships when lookomg thrugh an monnocle but they might have other paintings too so u better wait


I am proud to give this man his first like.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#65 - 2014-03-10 18:16:47 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
CCP is testing the waters and I fell that it is important for CCP to consider offering the service for free and only have pilots pay a nominal fee at a station to pay for the painting of your ship.


So you're saying that paying a nominal isk fee to NPCs would be okay with you, but paying a nominal isk fee to another player is not okay?

I'm sure CCP considered offering it for free. They just decided not to.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#66 - 2014-03-10 18:29:36 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Some people are going to need repeated applications.

Big smile


Presumably not of mayonnaise Smile

Good post E 1 made me smile Smile

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-03-10 19:33:23 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
CCP is testing the waters and I fell that it is important for CCP to consider offering the service for free and only have pilots pay a nominal fee at a station to pay for the painting of your ship. Making it easier to implement in the game. As the market should not have to change. A Rifter would still be a Rifter on the market even if it is pink as the buyer could just re-paint it at a cost if wanted or when it is sold it could just revert back to the vanilla color.
Just wanted to point out that the nex store itself has absolutely nothing to do with the current implementation of ship skinning. Even if sold for isk as a station service we would still have the same issues of multiple hull types until CCP decided it was worthwhile to develop a proper system for applying the skins. So no, moving it away from aurum or the nex won't magically make it easier to implement.
Victor Andall
#68 - 2014-03-11 00:27:48 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
...a feature that should be free.



I would also just like to point out that you haven't explained why it should be free.


I stated that in Eve the "lack of customizable aesthetic features in eve have been appalling." In addition, we already have to pay a subscription to play the game. Why should we have to pay more for in game items? This goes back to the great protests.


Why shouldn't you? What have you done to deserve painting your ship for free?

Because I know what you didn't do.

Which was know what the Monocle Protests were about.

BURN!

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Affirmative.
#69 - 2014-03-11 07:18:43 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
Faenir Antollare wrote:
*note to self

Pay 2 Plex to have the Char of my choice moved to a brand new account (cost involved here too) for the sole purpose of inclusion on the Monument, THEN, pay another plex just to exchange for Aurum so as to color said char's ship.

Dual char training is due in both 4 days and then another 22 days -another 2 Plex, then add on the subscription for the 2 existing accounts -another 2 Plex.

Getting a tad expensive eh? Might as well just be P2W Sad


Aside from everything you just said not being even remotely required by anything except by your whims.

Why is everyone whining about needing Aurum to paint the ships?

Have you checked Aurum prices on the EVE market yet?

https://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=32792

There, two frigate paint jobs for what is essentially pocket change.

.... When did they release Aurum as tokens? Can you convert Existing Aurum into Token form? so that you can then transfer it all to one character for easy Management?
Samoth Egnoled
Caldari Provisions
#70 - 2014-03-11 08:56:09 UTC
I think making us pay for it suck donkey ****.

But, the ability to paint my Geddon as a giant Purple helmet warrior is amusing.
mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-03-11 09:37:54 UTC
if you buy a car and want some to paint flames on it they are going to charge for it . same applies here you buy a ship and want to change the color of it, you will be charged

i want a eve pinball machine...  confirming  CCP Cognac is best cognac
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#72 - 2014-03-11 09:52:38 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
At first I was ready to be outraged. Then, I recalled, CCP sold out a long time ago. Go profit motive!

What?

CCP aren't a charity, this stuff doesn't just happen, you know, it has to be paid for.

If you don't like it, don't play then you won't be asked to pay.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#73 - 2014-03-11 10:19:19 UTC
CCP again drawn to IAPs like a trillion flies to the dung heap of a dinosaur. Yeah yeah make some more money.

Don't they get it? Freemium as it stands right now, most prominent examples in mobile games is utter bullshit. It destroyed prices for good games and it made game design a rotten discipline. Imagine the new XCom game with the skip time button and the caption reading $0.50 / day.

Ah forget it, bitter tears rolling.

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knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-03-11 12:15:56 UTC
Jaxon Grylls wrote:
Serene Repose wrote:
At first I was ready to be outraged. Then, I recalled, CCP sold out a long time ago. Go profit motive!

What?

CCP aren't a charity, this stuff doesn't just happen, you know, it has to be paid for.

If you don't like it, don't play then you won't be asked to pay.


Its not like we pay them a subscription every month is it. Oh hang on.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#75 - 2014-03-11 12:41:12 UTC
Claud Tiberius wrote:
If the ship is destroyed, do we still keep the paint? Are we able to use it on a new ship of the same type?


Nope.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-03-11 15:18:44 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Kom Bocket wrote:
[quote=Aeryn Tiberius]

But you are not so quit whining


I am not whining, just let down and disappointed CCP wants to go this direction. Maybe it will be like walking in stations, and just die out.

it wont all be aurum.

CCP this is a prototype to see how much people give a **** about it in the first place.

they said they wanted a good split between LP/ISK and Aurum purchased skins, with the possibility of them implementing a more personalized and detailed system farther down the road.

thsi system they are implementing is a market prototype, not representative of the final product.

i swear to Carl people skim dev blogs for 1 or 2 words they know will get them angry, ignore the entire context of the rest of the dev blog, then start a huge shitstorm about it on the forums.


Your right that it is a prototype and like I said might go the same way that walking in stations went. However, I think it should be made very simple and free. Like changing your avatar's pose and picture, you could also do the same to the ship. The value of the ship should not change other than a nominal fee for applying the paint to your ship. What CCP is saying that in an advanced universe with immortal clones and space stations through out the known universe, painting a ship is so complex that you have to pay some one more than just a nominal fee to use a template to change the appearance of your ship. In this case a Jovian type civilization in a Parallel Universe with the need to pay in the Parallel universe's currency!

With that said, I would like to ask a question? How do you know for sure that there is going to be a good split. The fact that they are thinking about releasing 9 skins and only 1 can be bought with isk/lp is not a good indicator for what you are saying. It seems that CCP is making it to complex when in reality it could be done easier.

I always imagined the system to be similar to something in Mechwarrior games. Plus it would be fun to see a group of gankers all in pink.

As far as the templates go... You are painting your ship in VERY SPECIFIC colors, colors that if painted wrong, could end in the execution of whoever was in charge, so a template is pretty good for getting it right first time. As for price, have you ever had to get a car repainted? now times that price up a million because your having a spaceship with several square kilometers of surface area painted IN SPACE.
Crasniya
The Aussienauts
#77 - 2014-03-11 15:44:46 UTC
Another whine post about microtransactions. /sigh

It shouldn't be free. And the game subscription money should be invested in things that matter. Extraneous vanity things should be separate.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#78 - 2014-03-11 15:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I would love a "General Lee" skin for the Brutix.

Yes the flag has plenty of room on the roof.


(I think only you geezers will understand this post)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2014-03-11 16:46:40 UTC
Crasniya wrote:
Another whine post about microtransactions. /sigh

It shouldn't be free. And the game subscription money should be invested in things that matter. Extraneous vanity things should be separate.


So does that include the much asked for and supported high res texture pack? Where do you draw the line at a better looking game with more visual depth and vanity items? Being able to change the colour of your ship is pretty basic stuff, something that should have been in EVE many years ago along with Alliance logos.

CCP is looking at Wargaming and all the bazillions of dollars they're making and trying to test the waters and possibly emulate them, without putting into context their game design and business model is nothing like CCP's.
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#80 - 2014-03-11 17:07:35 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
Having to purchase ship skins using Aurum is a bad idea. The community for a long time has asked for this feature. It should have been apart of the game a long time ago. The lack of customizable aesthetic features in eve have been appalling. While I am excited about the possibility of maybe changing a ships colors, I will not be paying RL money for a feature that should be free, so that I can fly a slightly different looking ship into battle, all the while paying a monthly subscription fee to play. I have been a loyal player for over 5+ years but I think due to the already lack of customizable aesthetic features, CCP the least you could do is offer it for free!!!!!

P.S. for those of you who do not know

" In the first release of the pilot program we will be introducing eight skins available for Aurum, and one available exclusively through in-game achievement."

"Frigate paint; around 45 AURUM (~$0.23-$0.26) for a single application
Battleship paint; around 350 AURUM (~$1.75-$2.00) for a single application"


You shut your mouth. You shut it right now.
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