These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Ships & Modules

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Highsec Exploration Worth it?
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Ray Zyrus
Raytec Industries
#1 - 2014-03-10 16:33:02 UTC
Hello everyone.

I've got a problem. See I'am an explorer and i really like that. for the past couple of months I managed to mass up enough isk per month to pay for plex and expand my fleet of ships mainly to do some pvp on the side.

But now the corp I'm in wants to leave our current Alliance and move to low sec to be a pure pvp corp. With that I see my future exploration projects doomed. so I might go back to highsec yet dont really want to stop exploring.

So that brings me to my question: Is Highsec exploration gonna earn me enough isk to keep paying for plex?

in 0.0 i was running a cheetah set up but to compensate for the worse loot in data/relic sights id run a Stratios to be able to run DED's sights in highsec.

My corp mates recommended i should rather do level 4 faction warfare missions wich would earn me even more than i might get in highsec exploration.

looking forward to your opinions and oh yeah btw: if there allready is a topic answering this im sorry but i couldnt find it.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2014-03-10 16:56:33 UTC
if you live in lowsec, you should be able to:

-Do lowsec DED plexes near your home base which are easier than nullsec ones and more lucrative.
-Do nullsec relic/data sites in your cheetah anyway (and yes possibly ninja the nullsec 6/10s you find)
-Do lowsec relic/data sites while looking for said DED plexes
-Do hisec DED plexes with your stratios

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Ray Zyrus
Raytec Industries
#3 - 2014-03-10 17:06:52 UTC
Batelle wrote:
if you live in lowsec, you should be able to:

-Do lowsec DED plexes near your home base which are easier than nullsec ones and more lucrative.
-Do nullsec relic/data sites in your cheetah anyway (and yes possibly ninja the nullsec 6/10s you find)
-Do lowsec relic/data sites while looking for said DED plexes
-Do hisec DED plexes with your stratios



Thank you very much if what you said is correct its even better. i really like that corp and dont want to leave it. so if i can live in low sec with my corpmates AND still run my sights itll be the optimal sollution :)
Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#4 - 2014-03-10 17:17:37 UTC
Laugh at the 'pvp' corp that thinks it can live in lowsec without an income stream

Losing ships costs. Losing many while you learn, costs a lot. It breaks new pvp corps - period.

As Batelle said, your income stream is there - make your corpmates realise this.
Ray Zyrus
Raytec Industries
#5 - 2014-03-10 17:29:52 UTC
Rab See wrote:
Laugh at the 'pvp' corp that thinks it can live in lowsec without an income stream

Losing ships costs. Losing many while you learn, costs a lot. It breaks new pvp corps - period.

As Batelle said, your income stream is there - make your corpmates realise this.



well all my mates have more that one account or char skilling at once, i dont so they make their income mostly with incursions or trade on other chars. ill eventually will do that as well but so far i have to stick to my main which is Ray.
Ginger Barbarella
#6 - 2014-03-10 17:39:29 UTC
If you're already in low/null making money off exploration, then stay there. I don't understand the problem (unless you rely heavily on your corpies for protection).

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Ray Zyrus
Raytec Industries
#7 - 2014-03-10 17:43:17 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
If you're already in low/null making money off exploration, then stay there. I don't understand the problem (unless you rely heavily on your corpies for protection).


well in the current system and around we usually had next to no neuts i dont know how this will be in low but from what i have seen there can be a lot of traffic.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-03-11 00:38:43 UTC
Ray Zyrus wrote:
well in the current system and around we usually had next to no neuts i dont know how this will be in low but from what i have seen there can be a lot of traffic.
I'v done some lowsec exploration, just data/relic, in the Gallente-Caldari warzone.

1) it can be done in a cheap t1 explo frig (covops cloak isn't mandatory to survive)

2) there is a lot of traffic, but most of the people are there to pvp on gates or in fw plexes: I've been 'disturbed' Big smile only once by a cloaky t3 and managed to get out before being locked&pointed (t1 frig's higher agility vs. covops helps alot)

3) remember you can dock in any station, so you can drop off loot often to protect it from the occasional gank or gatecamp. afterwards, you can do a round-trip in a blockade runner to safely collect all the loot

4) data/relic sites aren't over-farmed, you can find plenty. obviously also depends on luck / day of the week / time of the day

5) on average you get 5-10 mil ISK worth of stuff per site (in lowsec, I'd say data and relic give similar isk), and you can do at least 5 sites per hour

Highsec data/relic explo is less risky, but gives much less ISK/site and there's lots of competition.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#9 - 2014-03-11 01:39:57 UTC
I run high and low sec exploration sites (DED and unrated combats) in an assault frig with good resists against the rats I'm fighting. i.e jag against Blood raiders and sanshas, Vengeance against angles and ishkur against serps/guristas etc.

I have these pvp fit but with a probe launcher in my utility high slot. These are usually more than enough to run 4-10's and if i happen across another explorer then they get added to the target list for the plex. Twisted

These work excellently in high sec as most high sec explorers think you are pve fit and just engage as soon as you go suspect. at which point you scram/web and kill them. Lol

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#10 - 2014-03-11 01:41:43 UTC
Highsec exploration is only good for the combat sites, and even then you must know which ones to look out for, some are basically worthless. Relic/Data sites, even in lowsec are downright terrible and really not even worth the time IMO. Relic/Data sites in nullsec are slightly better and may be worth it. Lowsec combat exploration sites however are very lucrative and tend to be better than their nullsec equivalents (mostly because of omni-hardeners dropping from lowsec sites and not nullsec, which tend to be very expensive).
Ray Zyrus
Raytec Industries
#11 - 2014-03-11 09:18:26 UTC
Thank you everyone for those valuable insights.

it helped me alot in forming an opinion, expectation and plan on how to earn money in the future.

if ill really am going to operate in lowsec from now on i think i will still do relic/data sights even if they are terrible but every isk counts. in addition to that ill defenitly will keep an eye yout for those combat sights. i will use the time i have left to skill up the stratios and all supporting skills (need those t2 heavy and sentry drones). im pretty sure i can handle most combat sights with that little cruiser and if some of that traffic shows up in local ill just cloak up and wait haha.

well then if that is all and nobody else wants to get into this discussion ill just say thank you again take care and fly safe...

hope i wont see you in one of my sights Twisted
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-03-11 10:09:58 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I run high and low sec exploration sites (DED and unrated combats) in an assault frig with good resists against the rats I'm fighting. i.e jag against Blood raiders and sanshas, Vengeance against angles and ishkur against serps/guristas etc.

I have these pvp fit but with a probe launcher in my utility high slot. These are usually more than enough to run 4-10's and if i happen across another explorer then they get added to the target list for the plex. Twisted

These work excellently in high sec as most high sec explorers think you are pve fit and just engage as soon as you go suspect. at which point you scram/web and kill them. Lol


How long does it take to run a BR ded5 or 6 in a jaguar?
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#13 - 2014-03-11 12:29:35 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I run high and low sec exploration sites (DED and unrated combats) in an assault frig with good resists against the rats I'm fighting. i.e jag against Blood raiders and sanshas, Vengeance against angles and ishkur against serps/guristas etc.

I have these pvp fit but with a probe launcher in my utility high slot. These are usually more than enough to run 4-10's and if i happen across another explorer then they get added to the target list for the plex. Twisted

These work excellently in high sec as most high sec explorers think you are pve fit and just engage as soon as you go suspect. at which point you scram/web and kill them. Lol


How long does it take to run a BR ded5 or 6 in a jaguar?


Don't think he does those in an AF, imho the damage and tank of an AF is not enough to run those in an acceptable amount of time. 4/10 are the max I'd say you can do with an AF, have done that myself before switching to a HAC.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-03-11 12:56:59 UTC
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I run high and low sec exploration sites (DED and unrated combats) in an assault frig with good resists against the rats I'm fighting. i.e jag against Blood raiders and sanshas, Vengeance against angles and ishkur against serps/guristas etc.

I have these pvp fit but with a probe launcher in my utility high slot. These are usually more than enough to run 4-10's and if i happen across another explorer then they get added to the target list for the plex. Twisted

These work excellently in high sec as most high sec explorers think you are pve fit and just engage as soon as you go suspect. at which point you scram/web and kill them. Lol


How long does it take to run a BR ded5 or 6 in a jaguar?


Don't think he does those in an AF, imho the damage and tank of an AF is not enough to run those in an acceptable amount of time. 4/10 are the max I'd say you can do with an AF, have done that myself before switching to a HAC.


I think the specific tank can be enough, just the DPS would be lacking.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#15 - 2014-03-12 01:18:42 UTC
Confirming that you can run them with an AF. The problem is that its not worth it though, mainly due to the time needed to complete them. The best PvE tank in a high risk environment is a good DPS tank. Blink
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#16 - 2014-03-12 02:58:32 UTC
Jonas Staal wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Jonas Staal wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
I run high and low sec exploration sites (DED and unrated combats) in an assault frig with good resists against the rats I'm fighting. i.e jag against Blood raiders and sanshas, Vengeance against angles and ishkur against serps/guristas etc.

I have these pvp fit but with a probe launcher in my utility high slot. These are usually more than enough to run 4-10's and if i happen across another explorer then they get added to the target list for the plex. Twisted

These work excellently in high sec as most high sec explorers think you are pve fit and just engage as soon as you go suspect. at which point you scram/web and kill them. Lol


How long does it take to run a BR ded5 or 6 in a jaguar?


Don't think he does those in an AF, imho the damage and tank of an AF is not enough to run those in an acceptable amount of time. 4/10 are the max I'd say you can do with an AF, have done that myself before switching to a HAC.


I think the specific tank can be enough, just the DPS would be lacking.


LOL yeah I stick with 3-10, 4-10's in my jag which it does no problem. I switch up to a vaga/munin for 5-10, 6-10s usually. But then I am way more careful if there are people in local that I'm not aware of. Gila is also good for most of the sites as well and Ishtar is a beast!

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.