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Black Ops the last piece of the PvE puzzle?
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Ginger Barbarella
#21 - 2014-03-07 23:58:48 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
The reasoning behind this is that I may loose income or profit by doing this.
And this, even though it would be the most profitable to me.


Christ, not this again...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-03-08 00:19:49 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Exotic dancers and free Quafe drinks!
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-03-08 00:21:40 UTC
Plus Blockade Runner doing the Jump Freighter Run of course.

I sure won't wait for that even if I can?!

I save at least 5b from the start.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-03-08 00:25:00 UTC
It will be good for Miasmos
Amatris 139m
Quafe Ultra 275m
Quafe Ultramarine 1.9b
with no covertness , looking like a Viator.!!

on video , if I'm lucky

And taking bets
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-03-09 13:53:17 UTC
Dafuq is this thread?

97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,

"DO A BARREL ROLL!"
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#26 - 2014-03-09 14:06:59 UTC
Damien White wrote:
Dafuq is this thread?


its what happens when you feed mindflood to google translate.
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-03-09 15:49:15 UTC
Epic Shocked.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-03-09 17:13:39 UTC
One of the worst problem I have though is the fact that I must fly solo.

Being a Bounty Hunter and looking for Pirates to hunt is not always easy.


Chances of getting trapped in a Covert Ops fleet with a Black Ops are not low.
Anything over 2 ships can lag the system to a dead-end meaning the fleet will collapse on itself.

Chances of surviving in a BattleCruiser (BC) at mastery level V are better.
The risk of loss of ISK is lower since the value is lower (as well as the cost).


I may try it but , if I don't buy a Black Ops from the Character Bazaar, it may be next year.
(If that option is still operational by then.)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-03-09 23:50:56 UTC
I like your post. I just wanted to add that any ship that can fit the Covert Ops Cloak can also lock onto the Covert Cyno and use the Black Ops bridge.

Anyway, I had a similar idea a couple years ago which was to create a Covert Exploration Team :

1x Covert Ops Frigate
1x Blockade Runner
2x T3 Cruiser -w- Covert Subsystem
3x Stealth Bomber
2x Force Recon Cruiser
1x Black Ops Battleship


The Covert Ops Frigate would scout ahead and scan for both exploration sites and hostile ships. It would also do hacking when required.

The Blockade Runner would carry the Jump Fuel and Munitions. As the Fuel and Munitions is used up, the cargohold space would be refilled with loot and salvage collected from the sites.

The T3 Cruisers would mainly provide DPS.

The Stealth Bombers would be back up DPS and do surprise hot drops on any hostile ships that show up while the Fleet is running sites.

The Force Recon Cruisers would provide EWAR / Logistics / DPS as well as light the Covert Cyno.

The Black Ops Battleship would provide the Jump Bridge for the Fleet and also help with DPS.


All ships would do site clean up and if a large hostile group shows up in system, the Covert Exploration Team can easily cloak up and wait out the group or just go somewhere else.


Like I said, it's just an idea. Obviously it would be a group effort, not something I would attempt solo. The personal Mobile Structures would probably help a lot.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#30 - 2014-03-10 11:09:22 UTC
If your talking about running a black ops 10/10 ninja fleet.
You'll need 3 rr tengu, black ops bs, & blockade runner for ammo/fittings/fuel. Use mobile depots {one for each pilot} to refit subsystems.
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#31 - 2014-03-10 13:55:03 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:


Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:
I love this dude, I was hoping to use a Sin as a way to complete escalations without having to jump through gates which I always get tackled on, most of the ones I get go to waste :-/


What do you mean when you wrote , most of the ones you get go to waste?

Do you mean that the Black Ops Sin that you get go to waste?


Because moving my Battleship between gates is dangerous (as I usually get tackled) I am unable to do the escalations I sometimes earn after completing an anom, so they expire. If the Sin (or other blops ships) was a worthy PvE ship then I could move a covert cyno ship to where the escalation is, usually 4 jumps away, and jump the Sin into the system without having to jump it through any gates.

I hope thats clear. x
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-03-10 16:27:01 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I like your post. I just wanted to add that any ship that can fit the Covert Ops Cloak can also lock onto the Covert Cyno and use the Black Ops bridge.

...create a Covert Exploration Team :

1x Covert Ops Frigate
1x Blockade Runner
2x T3 Cruiser -w- Covert Subsystem
3x Stealth Bomber
2x Force Recon Cruiser
1x Black Ops Battleship

...
The Blockade Runner would carry ...
the cargohold space would be refilled with loot and salvage collected from the sites.

The T3 Cruisers ... DPS.

...
The Force Recon Cruisers would provide EWAR / Logistics / DPS as well as light the Covert Cyno.

The Black Ops Battleship would provide the Jump Bridge for the Fleet and also help with DPS.

...

1.
Yes, the main problem is tanking, so more Black Ops BS would provide more tank.
It would also increase the risk of higher loss...

I believe the 2nd best tank in that group are the T3...


2.
The main idea of my BR is for transport of goods as a Jump Freigther would be transporting goods.
Sure it is many jumps fewer than a JF.
However, when having to deliver in 0.0 or other, it can be more cost efficient than a 5b + ISK JF.


Maybe any other Covert ships than a Black Ops can only use the Covert Cyno in the same or adjacent system.
It is more likely that they have to be in the same system.
That is the same as using a bookmark, and requires gate jumping to get there.


The Force Recon:
"EWAR" Caldari + Gallente? / "Logistics" Pilgrim? / "DPS" Low
the previous description are only cached at this time + history removed.

Applicable to all 4:
A.
Recon Ships Skill Bonus: ...and 20% reduction in CPU need for cloaking devices per level.

B.
Role Bonus: 80% reduction in liquid ozone consumption for cynosural field generation and 50% reduction in cynosural field duration.

C.
Note: can fit covert ops cloaks and covert cynosural field generators

Cached Rapier
Minmatar Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret rate of fire and 10% bonus to target painter effectiveness per level

Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 60% bonus to stasis webifier range...

Cached Falcon
Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus:
5% Bonus to Medium Hybrid Damage Per Level
10% Bonus to ECM Target Jammer capacitor use per level

Recon Ships Skill Bonus:
30% bonus to ECM Target Jammer strength per level ...

Cached Azaru
Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage per level
7.5% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness per level

Recon Ships Skill Bonus:
20% bonus to Warp Scrambler and Warp Disruptor range per level ...

Cached Pilgrim
Amarr Cruiser Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Tracking Disruptor effectiveness and 10% bonus to drone hit points and damage per level.

Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 20% bonus to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount ...


3.
Also, an additional or more important point is, the scouting.
A 3rd and if not equally important point is the ship to light the Covert Cyno.

First off, the Covert Cyno.
The value of the Force Recon is 7.5 times that of a Bomber or Covert Ops Explorer Frigate.
It makes the risk of loss of using a Bomber or CovOp Frigates better and more efficient.
The only bonus gained by the Force Recon is the cyno time being half, and 80% less fuel cost.

That doesn't cover for the value of the ship at risk.


As for the Scouting...
There is no way to scout without a rookie ship I'm afraid.
There needs to be eyes in the system to know what is going on.
Even a 20m Bomber or CovOps Frigates compared to a 150m + Force Recon can be destroyed if trapped.

These eyes that should be used to get the way to the path seeked are used by enemies to counter it.
It becomes more evident in Null sec with often less enemies or zero in local.
You can normally tell easily that if you constantly find 2 or 3 in local jumping gates that an ambush is near.
That is where the Rookie Ship will survive to tell about it while other Covert ship will be detected.

Even knowing that there are potential enemies trying to attack the Covert fleet won't make it easier to move.
The same gate jump traps remain for the Covert Cyno to be lit.
The Rookie ship cannot light a Covert Cyno.
To lit or normal cyno would be useless...


All in all it makes travel in null sec and low sec pretty much anything but hard and high risk.
Anyone with a vendetta against them will fall prey to the 40k+ other players trying to get their things.
Not only do they want a claim to it, but if they can get their things, will use it to party.


I've seen many Covert fleet which do function however.
It only comes at a high number of participant, with scouts, and eyes and more.
There are also a lot of politics involved in maintaining the balance of powers.
Those balance of powers are part of what makes the fleet remain free from attacks.

They are limited to the systems they travel to and the objective + goals they seek.


Solo play as the most efficient results for me, that option is without merit, a waste of time and rendered vain.
I already know the results by now, even before having to waste my time trying to get accurate test results.
Of course all that could change if there were others to join my cause.

... The rest maybe tomorrow... RL issue requires OoPE post.
=-=-= Post is full =-=-=
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-03-10 16:32:42 UTC
...continued from previous post above:

Unfortunately for those seeking this, the war is and will be too advanced, and it makes it pointless.
Their efforts would be thwarted and the self-righteous evil that prevails already made perpetual damage.


There are RL issues arbitrarily interfering against this which are better left in the Out of Pod Experience at this time.


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Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:

Because moving my Battleship between gates is dangerous (as I usually get tackled) I am unable to do the escalations I sometimes earn after completing an anom, so they expire...

Right, well, moving a covert cyno ship is easier said than done.
Anyone knowing that you carry the device can be out to get you as well...
And rightfully so, many POS attacks start with that. And that means sovereignty takeover as well as taking things.

That is why the rookie ship is so important if not priceless.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-05-15 03:22:02 UTC
Still upgrading...

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Genocide Machine
Ritual Suicide
#35 - 2014-05-15 20:09:45 UTC
i declare you best troll ever, even if unwittingly
Ginger Barbarella
#36 - 2014-05-15 20:16:14 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
I thought you said you were planning on biomassing yourself? Something something... money, real life?

Keep up the good work.


This. And I see the paranoia is creeping back into this thread, too...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-05-15 20:18:36 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

*tagline theft detected*

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Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-05-15 20:54:45 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
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Yeah.... I need to drink more...
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#39 - 2014-05-16 10:10:57 UTC
This thread is a blast from the past!
Voight KampGaff
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-05-16 22:22:09 UTC
Is this the story thread?

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-Be in Gallente trade hub bulloxy blues.

-Be buying training skill books.

-Buy some manufacturing books to turn those blue prints I haxored into some real deal hollyfield space bux.

-See drug manufacturing.

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-43,000? no problemo.

-Inject skill book.

-Check wallet.

-43,586,495.00 space bucks are missing.

Welcome to EvE.

Frigid yarn chap.

It's so cold in space...but now I can make space meth.

Tight tight tight.
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