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more than any previous, due to the ongoing success of the csm

Well as it is I just can't swallow the sham and faux-democracy nature of a player-elected CSM that espouses to represent all of New Eden, while ultimately just consolidating power for nullsec blocs.

You see, my math was wrong, at 72% of hisec population -- 10 of the 14 current spots should actually be reserved for people who live in hisec...

...for its in that disparity between repeated nullsec dominance on the CSM and actual population density that the CSM is revealed as the sham faux-democracy it is.

Given this disparity, why should anyone outside of nullsec give a flying f#ck about the CSM?

I find it very un-Eve like that I cannot put my vote in a contract going to the highest bidder.

After all CSM has almost all the letters of SCAM. Seems only right we make a buck on it

Entirely appropriate to be pissed off about a group of players that volunteer their time to try to shape a hobby.

Are they evasive because they signed an NDA? Yeah, I also think that sucks. Transparency would make them seem less like aloof jerks, even when they can't help it.

Are they trying to screw you? Mostly no. Mostly they want the same thing you want; A better way to fritter away their pointless existense.

If you care enough to ***** about a CSM on the Eve Forums, then you should have enough free time to figure out what value they add to EvE; which is input based on whatever their playstyle is on EvE's future.

You think these guys wander around town saying 'I'm EvE famous,' at the bar to pick up women?

Please also be the guy that doesn't vote and then wonders why your property tax went up on a narrowly approved bill.

-End Rant-

Also, yes - some of the CSMs are probably ###hats.

This as always.

Vote or you have no right to complain about them doing it wrong ;)

I would also add a vote for DJ Funkybacon to that list as well, man knows his **** and if we're really lucky both of them get in and we get twice the representation.

I have no interest in the null blocs concerns or opinions, so much so that I think this thread should be in another section of the forums.

Leaving aside that a very significant fraction of that 72% are the alts of nullsec players...

What do you think would be gained by "reserving" 10 seats? The CSM does not operate by internal votes. We operate by providing advice, opinions, warnings. It only takes one guy to make a good point. The CSM almost never makes sec-based arguments; it's more about areas of expertise. Mynnna isn't "the goon guy" on the CSM: he's the industry guy. Ali Aras isn't "the merc guy" on the CSM: she's the new player guy. And so on. When CCP discuss a concept with us, Mynnna will usually be the one to comment on industry/:maths: issues, Ali will typically raise concerns or opportunities re: newer players, Progod or Sort will comment on the big fleet fight perspective, and so on. Not all of us have something to say about every issue. We do not operate by taking a vote on a normal gameplay issue and then presenting the CSM's opinion on it as a monolithic bloc.

Diversity of expertise is far, far more relevant than sec affiliation. Whatever sec affiliation even means in a game where alts are so prevelant, fast travel is so easy and there are no limits to crossing borders. I have 2 characters in 0.0, 1 in lo and 3 in hi-sec. Numerically, I'm a hi-sec player.

PS: "Hi-sec" doesn't get much representation on the CSM because, to a first approximation, you don't bother to run any candidates and you don't bother voting. Sorry, you're gonna have to do some work.

Oh do tell... what exactly is that fraction? Do you have a number? Or perhaps just a good guess? Or... wait, I know... we should simply take your word on it without question?

But let us head off to fantasy land for a moment and assume that you know what you are talking about. Let us even be so generous as to say that fully half of every the entire dirty hisec peasantry are, in fact, just alts of your glorious nullsec master race. Let us do some quick math, let me see... 72% divided by 2... 31% Nearly one third of all New Eden.

Tell me, are one third of the CSM candidates offering to represent hisec interests? Or should we just be so grateful for your infinitely wise & benign leadership that we should happily vote for our nullsec overlords lobbyists because even though your goal is pretty much to shove it up our hisec sphincters at every opportunity that you really do it because you actually love us, it is for our own good and it has nothing to do with trying to force us all into moving out to nullsec and becoming your latest patch of indentured servants who's only purpose is to feed you free ISK and stroke your egos all day? And those of us who refuse to bend our knees to you should simply remain quiet & suck it up or quit EvE entirely, correct?

Be careful what you wish for, because it just may happen. You will either turn hisec into an empty wasteland, and CCP's offices not far behind due to lost subscriptions, or you will flood your ranks with bitter, former hisec players who are all just waiting for the chance to AWOX you & your precious Alliances at every turn.

The reality is that you should be very, very grateful that the hisec population has little interest in CSM affairs & would rather just be left alone to do our thing in peace. Because if we did care as much as you keep saying we should then it would not end well for you & your kind.

Why is it that highsec apologists can't have a discussion without bringing out the tired old "We'll quit and the game will die!" and "you're just trying to force me out of highsec" cards?

What is wrong with you that you so immediately try to hold other people's gameplay hostage to protect your own from any kind of change that isn't in your favor? Is every last one of you so intellectually dishonest, are you all that transparently selfish? Or do you just not actually have a coherent argument, so you trot out the same arthritic old one every time?

Oh, and btw. Malcanis mentioned it above, but I'd like to address it myself.

The reason you don't have much representation on the CSM is because you sorry fucks don't bother voting. It doesn't surprise me though, considering that quite a lot of you are, as he mentioned, alts, or you barely qualify as "players" in the first place. How freaking many of you are outright botters or afk farmers anyway? That's hardly the kind of player I would expect to sit up and pay enough attention to actually do something.