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SOE Nestor Battleship discussion

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-02-19 14:02:29 UTC
Victoria Thorne wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Damien White wrote:
Anyway, now, nearly a month after implementation, has anyone found a niche for this ship where he would pay the money for it and doesnt want to change back to a different Ship?

I would like to know this too.

At about double the price of other pirate faction battleships I would expect the Nestor to do something awesome



It has achieved awesomeness. It has managed to become a Pirate Faction battleship that (seemingly) no one thinks is OP. That has to be the greatest achievement of any ship.


So kind of like a Guristas shuttle... Way more expensive than a standard T1 shuttle but perhaps if you hit a secret combination of keys it will reveal an 8-8-8 slot layout. Fear my OP shuttle! Lol
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#62 - 2014-02-19 14:30:00 UTC
From the posts I've read it can make a nice bait ship... Or a 3 billion ISK lossmail....

Any loadouts for purposes OTHER than bait?

If it's a PVP loadout the performance would have to justify the 1.5 billion ISK hull cost. For example the Nestor fits neuts but so does the Bhaalgorn at half the cost. Now if the Nestor could do better in some part then maybe the additional cost would be worth it.

For a PVE loadout hull cost isn't really a factor since it's rare you would lose one. The biggest factor here would be does it perform as good or better than ANY battleship?

From looking at EFT it does the same as a Navy Dominix.. The extra armor resistance makes up for the loss of a low slot. It doesn't have the PG for beam lasers but will fit mega pulse. The lack of low slots means you won't have room for heat sinks so the DPS will be poor.
Ginger Barbarella
#63 - 2014-02-19 16:25:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Personally, I kinda doubt this thing will even be safe in blue null. With the price tag I suspect it'll be a prime gank target in the usual freighter gank alleys.

I think this boat was just a mistake.

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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2014-02-19 18:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Okay here's my attempt at a PVE loadout for level 4 missions.

Before the troll goes "Not all ships in Eve are for missions" I got it... You can't run missions with a Bhaalgorn either. This is my attempt at a loadout to keep discussion going and perhaps someone will find a good use for the Nestor. If you have a good PVP loadout that's not bait by all means please post it.

There's not enough PG for a prop mod or tachs. This fit still requires a +3 PG implant. At all level 5 skills the Nestor doesn't even have enough PG for a LAR and a full rack of mega pulse lasers... This is without ANY other modules fitted! Not enough low slots for a heat sink and you lose DPS if you replace a DDA with one.

It gets 878 DPS with Bouncer II's and 972 with Garde II. Due to the 1.1 drone nerf using the Bouncer DPS figure is more realistic since the range of Garde's is crazy short.

[Nestor, PVE]
Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Garde II x5
Bouncer II x5
Warden II x5
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-02-19 19:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria Thorne
At a glance, your biggest problem is going to be the powergrid usage of a LAR vs a Large RAR. 1800 v 600

I think that you'd almost have to make it remote repairing and use it in pairs to be practical for anything.

Edit - It needs a shield rep bonus. I can actually think of one or two things that might be practical with this ship (PVE and PVP), if it had one.
Thel Reth
Rubicon Corp
Cyno.Up
#66 - 2014-02-19 23:06:36 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
You could also use a Prophecy or even a Navy auguror if oyu wanted to spend less money. The reason for suggesting a Nestor is that everyone wants to kill a Nestor...C:

Or even a 2bill proteus and have almost carrier ehp
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#67 - 2014-02-20 18:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Damien White
Well, then you could simply field an carrier.


That is basicaly the main reason why I personaly think the ship is bad. For the cost of this thing you can field an carrier, get more EHP, Rep etc.

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Doomheim
#68 - 2014-02-20 22:16:31 UTC
One time bump to fix forum.
SomethingIs InMyButt
Levy Guards
VENI VIDI VICI.
#69 - 2014-03-05 18:07:45 UTC
The soe ships are meant to run ghost sites.
And if i do say so, they excell at them.
Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#70 - 2014-03-05 18:20:35 UTC
SomethingIs InMyButt wrote:
The soe ships are meant to run ghost sites.
And if i do say so, they excell at them.


T3s > > > Stratios > anything else

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CODE.d
#71 - 2014-03-06 03:22:35 UTC
Coming Soon: The Rubicon 1.3 Nestor. Now with less suck.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#72 - 2014-03-06 10:56:12 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Shpenat wrote:


There is never going to be cov ops cloaky battleship. So please stop asking for one


This argument is getting tiresome.
The sun rotates around the earth.....
The earth is flat....

Just saying something often enough, does not make it either correct or true.

This ship has it's primary advantage low mass which ONLY is of benefit in wormholes.
Without an ability to warp cloaked it is as much use as a submarine without a hatch.
This has been done to death and explained hundreds of times, in depth clearly and concisely, tolstoy has written less.
And still the same old same old comes back.
Please just think and read a little before using this completely discredited and worthless argument again.
There are rational and reasonable reasons for exactly why it is not only desireable but essential for this ships survival.

Unless you have a reason why it should never exist at all?

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marVLs
#73 - 2014-03-06 11:01:55 UTC
Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but...
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-03-06 17:44:04 UTC
If it had a jump drive and could jump to covert cynos...you would see much more demand and use of this ship. It would have the potential to expand the use of black ops entirely. You could actually start using black ops bs for more than just quick ratter ganks. You could actually start causing real problems behind enemy lines (blops fleets hitting sov structures etc). Isn't that what Black Ops should be about?
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#75 - 2014-03-06 20:30:24 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but...


It's the Revenant all over again.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#76 - 2014-03-07 02:15:53 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but...

It is really really sad, after the astero and stratios, that offer so much, so much was expected of the nestor.

But.. It's not over yet, I hope and I think, that CCP Rise is reading all these comments, and taking note, at first, a little tweak here, a little tweak there, and eventually he will decide, which of the suggestions and comments are best for the ship and make it something special.

I am an optimist, and usually I am pleasantly suprised.

CCP Rise, there is enough in the threads now, for you to make the nestor something you can be proud of. All the pieces are here, just put them together, add flair, and this can be the best work you have ever done, and make a lot of people very happy.

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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University
Ivy League
#77 - 2014-03-07 02:23:50 UTC
If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian.

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crazy0146
The Federation of assorted candy
#78 - 2014-03-07 10:48:27 UTC
When dual boxing these i can get a 2k dps tank, cap stable with enough recharge to survive c5 sleeper neuts (possibly even c6 neuts) they each do 650+ dps with garde II's. All T2 fit

The only problem is the price which is 1.7bil each, so for what reason would i use these when for 500mil less then the price of one of these ships i can get a vargur or paladin that can tank the same and does 800+dps again all T2 fit.

Or i could just use 3 rr domis for even less.
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University
Ivy League
#79 - 2014-03-07 13:43:33 UTC
crazy0146 wrote:
so for what reason would i use these


Hint: It would be a trap. Blink

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Ryn Aldent
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-03-07 19:43:52 UTC
In my own Corp the Nester has been used successfully as a logi ship, running incursions. A VERY EXPENSIVE logi ship but it works.