Wormholes

I hope you don't mind Bane, but I'd like to add a couple questions.

How can we communicate more effectively with C1-C4 space?

Is there a better medium than the forums to draw c1-c4 groups in?

While no means a rule (there are some long existing entities in C2s for instance and some C4 farmers have been there a long time - but those are the types who tend to keep themselves to themselves) typically those living in C1-3 tend to be relatively new to wormhole space and less likely to be vocal about long standing issues and/or fully aware of whats what whereas people in C5/6 space tend to as a gross generalisation progressed up through living in lower classes to the end result of living in C5/6 and have broader experience of whats what.

Now that I have a moment, I can add a bit.

I think lower end wh space has a lot more flux. By this I mean there a lot of come and go corps who give wh space a try and just don't like it. To a lesser degree I think some of the more "in the know" groups don't want to deal with cap blobs/bigger t3 gangs than their smaller corp can handle.

From my own experience, I've tried to get a c2 corp to experience the deeper wormhole life. Honestly, with the exception of a handful of pilots, no one was interested at all. Groups like N0mex, The Night Crew, and others can give a better response than I could as to why that is.

As someone who is perfectly happy in lower end wh space, what issues/mechanics/ideas do you see as things that need to be looked over or fixed?

To be honest, I think you have hit the nail on the head here. Smaller groups might feel that they cant argue their point across over the forums because they feel that it brings too much negativity to their corp. Even if that's not actually the case.

Also, something I have noticed, its the same few people posting on the forums as of late (mainly RCC and Sky Fighters) and no offence to any of you guys but the threads havent exactly been enticing to join in on unless you are part of those two groups (and a few others).

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As for the holes themselves when interacting, I think a lot of it is the fact that bigger entities in bigger holes can seem to field more ships than that of the lower classes (and while I know this is not always the case it is something I have noticed personally when a larger group rolls or jumps into the hole I am in / I jump into a larger hole).

Examples: I logged into my hole last week, when I spotted two ventures mining. They had seen me log on via dscan and one quickly disappeared back through into their C4, seconds later a Procurer appeared on Dscan and decided to go to the ore sight and begin can mining. It was obviously bait and I had no idea what they would bring but I assumed I could be in and out before they landed and had me... I set up a bombing run and ready to follow up with torps. About to start the run and a Proteus decloaks and agresses the Procurer. The bait miner called in his fleet of six possibly seven Battlecruisers (Canes, Drakes and a Nado) and then the T3 pilot called in his back up with T3's and BC's... It was a massacre for the baiting fleet. They lost nearly all their ships (if not all). I decided to be cheecky and launch my bomb at the clusterfuck in front of me anyway.

The other example is an example of pure overkill however. I was scouting out a chain, there was myself and three others, in bombers, and I jumped into a C5 bookmarked, dscanned and went to scout out the system. They obviously had cloaky eyes on the hole as suddenly theres four or five T3's, several BC's, Two assault frigs and they even manned a Moros. After half an hour they knew we were not going to engage yet still camped the hole. A new sig opened and we scanned it out and they split their force. They then decided to attempt to roll the hole to keep us still in theirs. Luckily I just pulled a balls to the wall move and warped zero and jumped the new hole as they jumped a Moros through to crush it, figuring they would rejump the Moros and close the hole rather than risk getting caught and locking themselves out. I was right and they rejumped the Moros and crushed me out the hole.

Basically, the two examples I've put up because there wasn't even a chance that we could engage... There was no way they would cut down their forces to facilitate a fair fight, it was more about getting the kills.

The above is not always the case, I am aware and some lower class entities are a force to be reckoned with as I say. But I think many are simply too small of an amount of members in corp or are unwilling to PvP. I've noticed a lot of corps in C4's simply POS up their ships even thought there was only myself head through the hole. They then sit there for an hour and then log off...

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Edit: Holy balls I think I went off on a slight tangent...Still slightly relative...

As for lower WH class and higher WH class interaction: Maybe the higher classes could take a corp from a lower class wormhole on a roam, group together for a day and just go raiding the chains. I know there might be a security issue for some however.

Or another option. Have WH public fleets NPSI that strike out into other Wormholes (or nullsec to prevent the political shitstorm of blues shooting each other because theyre not purple)...

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Just my two cents, although I have no idea how to implement the ideas haha

(if you got this far, cheers for reading)

#goddamneddoublepost

We live in a C4 with a C2 static so we have the benefit of a moderate income from the 4 and the pew in the 2 chain.

I'm not the usual C4 resident I guess but I think it's easy to see why people don't post in WH threads and why corps don't have C5-C6 aspirations at all it just takes an impartial peek at the thread menu.

Nearly everyone who asks a question is trolled to bits if they do it by offering an opinion. It's just the way the WH thread is, probably nothing that can be done about it but it's intimidating to the lower C grade (C grade <<< Perhaps if people stopped calling them lower classes it might help?)

I also think the blue ring culture is pushing people ways they don't want to go. They chose wormholes for isolation, patience of the kill and to do their own thing. To "progress" and have any kind of hope for a Higher grade WH life means joining a megacorp, alliance or some serious butt kissing/pet culture. They also know from these forums that the C5/C6 police will expect them to whelp pretty much as soon as their pos shield has charged up or face eviction.

This is not a post leveled at ANYONE but before you troll mine to death take a step back, look at that thread menu and see how intimidating it is for a 10-15 man corp to comprehend let alone consider higher grade WH's and/or commenting here at all without getting hundreds of bags of dicks thrown at them.

(Let throwing commence)

The problem is: all are pussies ... and some of them are too ignorant to notice they are pussies.

haha thats funny.

OK really off topic but i just spent 10 minutes looking for a gif of axe from dota 2 saying Dunked or you got dunked
if some one could sort me a funny gif i'll happily pay them (best one if loads do gifs)

I think the big issue is alot from lower classes as people have said want to stay off the radar. Ive found it much easier to just mail people who ask for help on forums, probably have 12 to 15 people i regularly get mails from to help with advice in some way.

I know a few groups used to have training corpsand others who recruit from bigger groups liek drop bears and bni, SSC used to take alot from eve uni (i think)

I think alot of smaller corps are also just mates who dont want to go to larger groups but just do there own thing

Big difference:

c5/c6-dweller goes pve, buys ships, goes scout with corp to find stuff and lose earlier bought ships to other players.
c1-c4-dweller spends all that time farming to end up with as much cash. No time for POS-spinning/forum-warrior'ing.