EVE General Discussion

Minmatars have capitals?

*fake edit* The Carriers are sexy though.

I don't get it.

1. If Minmatar have good subcaps, what impact does this have on their need of good capitals (or vice versa)?

2. Everyone is a Minmatar. You can all train for Minmatar ships, if you want to. Every corp, alliance and militia uses ships of all races. There is no need to balance between races, so please get over your internet penis envy.

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Does not fit into your post.

Also, all ships should be balanced as much as possible for PvP. End of story. A new player should not train up gallente ships only to realize they should have winmatar.

This reminds me of the 'caldari are best at pve so they need to suck in pvp!' argument.

People can train whatever they want.

if minmatar sub caps are best but amarr capitals are best, this is not 'balance' it just means everyone will fly train minmatar for minnie subcaps and amarr for amarr caps. The only subcaps you see will be minmatar and the only caps you see will be amarr.

This is not really balance.

Ideally you'll see a mix of all the racial ships at all hull sizes.

Aren't they, you know, trying to make hybrids suck less too? I have a really hard time objectively concluding any race has a true advantage in any realm.

by this logic amarr capitals should be nerfed into the ground since their subcaps own

Ships are not as important as the roles they play. Minmatar sub-capital ships excel currently because they fill some roles very well (high alpha, fast logistics, ect...). It has not been this way forever, nor will it be this way forever. As CCP makes changes to gameplay for balance or other reasons, eventually other races are going to rise to the surface when people come up with new fleet doctrines.

Besides that, it's not Minmatar capitals in general that are mediocre, it is the SUPER capitals that are mediocre (at best). Sure Nidhoggurs aren't the best combat carriers, but nothing is going to rep POS shields as fast (and POS mods at the same time) as Niddys can (this goes for any structure too). That gives Niddys a role. Nagalfars too probably have the best or second best DPS potential of the dreads, but it does require more of a skillpoint investment. Supercapitals are where Minmatar suffers though, and it's because of lack of viable fittings, which is something currently being addressed. Not even many Ragnarok pilots are going to spring for one or two Estamel's invuln fields, but the addition of deadspace (x-type) invulns in Cruicble (or coming coon(tm) will benefit Minmatar supercaps greatly (and Caldari too). CCP has also recognized that they need to add an implant set which is the shield equivalent of Slave sets, which is the other major thing contributing to Minmatar (and Caldari, to a lesser extent), lack of supercapital effective hitpoints.

There may even be a time coming soon-ish where Caldari supers can tank as hard or harder than Amarr supers currently can, and Minmatar will be more on the level with Gallente supers for tanking ability.

Just you wait until they invent extra heavy duty duck tape.

Don't worry OP, Minmatar subcaps will eventually be buffed so much that they make Minmatar caps look terrible in comparison.

I've been flying around empire for a couple months now. But unless something has changed you have to train Amarr and Minmatar up to BS 5 and Large weps 5 reguardless. Amarr BS kick ass in large gangs(armor). Tempest kicks ass in general. Caps are just one more skill away.

Maybe you could skip Minmatar BS 5, but sub BS is required.

If you want to do PVE 1st train Amarr to spec, than minmatar.

If you want to PVP 1st train Minmatar to spec, than Amarr.

You need both, so who cares whats better!