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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#101 - 2014-03-05 12:28:30 UTC
Beta Maoye wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

I once tanked a BC raid (pre nerf Black Temple) while hung over so badly I was unable to stand under my own power. (ah, college)

That game is not "hard", by any stretch of the imagination. You're confusing tedium, repetition, and grind with actual difficulty.


Which game does not have its portions of tedium, repetition and grinding?


I'm not saying other games don't have those things.

I am saying that those things are all that WoW has.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-03-05 12:35:26 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Regardles of what "gamers" think this issue is a legal one that is currently unresolved.

The Dutch decision:

http://www.virtualpolicy.net/runescape-theft-dutch-supreme-court-decision.html

Quote:


...The Virtual items were under the exclusive control of the player – who was relieved of this control...


That strikes me as the defining sentence - in your example, the person was relinquished of control of the items not of his free will, whereas in this instance, the target freely relinquished control.
Zifrian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2014-03-05 12:36:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Who throws away money like that unless it isn't theirs?


While this probably breaks some kind of internet meme or unwritten rules, I'll go ahead and say it.

There's only one class of people that universally has no respect for money and has such poor spelling.

Pre-teens.

Heh, I thought that too....MAAAA...I need more money to play this new game!!! Okie snookums, here you go.

But 1300? Seems a bit much.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#104 - 2014-03-05 12:39:00 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Zifrian wrote:
Who throws away money like that unless it isn't theirs?


While this probably breaks some kind of internet meme or unwritten rules, I'll go ahead and say it.

There's only one class of people that universally has no respect for money and has such poor spelling.

Pre-teens.

Heh, I thought that too....MAAAA...I need more money to play this new game!!! Okie snookums, here you go.

But 1300? Seems a bit much.


Grandparents. They feel death's chilling grasp on their shoulders, and are frantically buying as much love and goodwill as they can, to make it seem to themselves as though their lives had meaning. As well as to attempt to avert any potential plug-pulling.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Inari Visas
Federal Navy Academy
#105 - 2014-03-05 13:15:24 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
In Canada we have a name for your kind. We call you liberals and you're not particularly well liked, specifically for this hug-a-thug mentality.

Only a liberal could excuse an actual crime because he "didn't mean it", while vilifying people who committed no crimes and played 100% within the rules of the game. Ugh

Whether or not you think that scamming is "moral" is completely irrelevant. Scamming is a legitimate, well-known, even celebrated form of gameplay in Eve Online. You'd have to be willfully stupid to not realize that coming into this game. RL life threats on the other hand are in clear violation of the EULA, are abhorred by the entire community and should not be tolerated under any circumstances.

Dude should lose his account at the minimum for making RL threats, end of story.

Also. The 1000.00 was lost the moment this moron bought however many PLEX from CCP. The gankers and the scammers took only in game assets, which is not even close to the same thing. None of the people involved in either the gank or the scam are in any way shape or form responsible for this guy's lack of financial restraint. Nor are they responsible for this guy's lack of research into a game that he's dumping THOUSANDS of dollars into.

No sympathy at all. None.


Did I miss something, or you just like to pull crap from your behind?

He wasn't robbed, and obviously he didn't find his gankers in rl and did awesome thngs to them. He DID say he was talking from anger. If he actually did something, I would agree with you. But he didn't.

Good thing its a video game and not rl, or else we would all be totally serious about it.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#106 - 2014-03-05 13:57:40 UTC
This is another one of those events that IMO proves something I've come to believe about this game and it's people.

Many folks will have you believe that the gankers and scammers are terrible people in real life and that the 'innocent victims" are somehow paragons of virtue.

But in reality, it's the "victims" (ie entitled/stupid people playing a game stupidly that is notorious for punishing both entitlement and stupidity) who tend to be the IRL 'bad' people who will make out of game threats.

Meanwhile, the gankers and scammers (ie smart/aware people playing a game that rewards being smart and aware) who are the IRL well adjusted adults who can keep a video game and it's imaginary 'property' in context.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#107 - 2014-03-05 14:21:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This is another one of those events that IMO proves something I've come to believe about this game and it's people.

Many folks will have you believe that the gankers and scammers are terrible people in real life and that the 'innocent victims" are somehow paragons of virtue.

But in reality, it's the "victims" (ie entitled/stupid people playing a game stupidly that is notorious for punishing both entitlement and stupidity) who tend to be the IRL 'bad' people who will make out of game threats.

Meanwhile, the gankers and scammers (ie smart/aware people playing a game that rewards being smart and aware) who are the IRL well adjusted adults who can keep a video game and it's imaginary 'property' in context.

I'd agree with you in so Farr as to say , the ones who whine about it might well share some broad characteristics. But the precedent that victims=********, gank/scam artist = virtuous paragon of the community ,probably needs some looking into.
I do see your point though.

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Em arr Roids
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2014-03-05 14:30:01 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i can bear with the first page, but the last one was too much.....i understand this game is like real life, but i didnt expect that lvl of bullying with the poor guy, goddammit have some respect with the victim, assholes.......


Seriously? He threatens to take real world vengeance on people who ganked him in a video game and you believe people playing the game within the rules of engagement are in the wrong?

He should be sitting out a 30 day ban and be removed from the CSM for those threats!



You should probably learn some reading comprehension. He was merely stating "I could if I wanted". He didn't actually say he was going to.

I'm pretty sure I'd be that mad too if I borked up royally like that and a news company trolled me in a conversation. Personally I think the guy had balls to entertain an interview in the face of humiliation.
Silivar Karkun
Doomheim
#109 - 2014-03-05 14:34:19 UTC
^this, one does not simply loose a several billions fitted raven and just say "didnt want that anyway"........
Baron Chauman
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-03-05 14:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Baron Chauman
Jenn aSide wrote:
But in reality, it's the "victims" (ie entitled/stupid people playing a game stupidly that is notorious for punishing both entitlement and stupidity) who tend to be the IRL 'bad' people who will make out of game threats.


I doubt it. I think people's online behavior is reflective of their real-life behavior.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/online-trolls-are-psychopaths-and-sadists-psychologists-claim-9134396.html

The majority of psychopaths can of course be described as well adjusted.

Jenn aSide wrote:
Meanwhile, the gankers and scammers (ie smart/aware people playing a game that rewards being smart and aware) who are the IRL well adjusted adults who can keep a video game and it's imaginary 'property' in context.


This type of might-makes-right argument, I am smarter than you so I deserve your stuff, tells me that you have a conscience, but you are choosing to ignore it in order to defend your worldview, aka the just-world fallacy. It is quite normal for well adjusted people and is one thing that allows psychopaths such great freedoms.
Ralen Zateki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2014-03-05 14:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralen Zateki
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
well the guy clearly was an idiot but he doesnt deserves to be scammed like that.........the killmail should have been enough........


Yeah, horseshit. NOTHING excuses irl threats.

You wanna know why I post on an alt, and not on my first character? It's not because I fear reprisal in game for my speech on the forums. It's because I once got a picture of my house emailed to me after scamming someone.

So that apologist crap doesn't fly with me. It's not "bullying" or whatever buzzword the entitlement generation whelps use these days. It's a ****ing videogame.



This.

Never ceases to amaze me how incredibly egocentric people can be in the name of "sympathy." F*&^ that. Give a monkey a brain and he'll think he's the center of the universe.

"Look at me, I'm such a good person because I feel sorry for that person." Who's needs are really getting served in this?

Here's a couple of signs, for those that can't read:

1. Why you would dump that much real life cash... regardless of how rich you are... into a GAME before knowing how to even play the game is, well... not grounded in rationality.

2. Why you would make threats about "finding" someone in real life over a game while simultaneously feeling the need to let everyone on earth know multiple times that you are a lawyer and that therefore that somehow being a lawyer makes your threats anymore ominous than the next guy is best case egomaniacal worst case borderline sociopathic.

How 'bout we get out of la-la land full of distractions about who "deserves" what and let this guy be held accountable to reality: he was a naive, egocentric moron who got duped twice.

You get what you create.
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#112 - 2014-03-05 14:42:29 UTC
The part of the story I enjoy was his cargo.
Ralen Zateki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#113 - 2014-03-05 14:46:10 UTC
Em arr Roids wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Silivar Karkun wrote:
i can bear with the first page, but the last one was too much.....i understand this game is like real life, but i didnt expect that lvl of bullying with the poor guy, goddammit have some respect with the victim, assholes.......


Seriously? He threatens to take real world vengeance on people who ganked him in a video game and you believe people playing the game within the rules of engagement are in the wrong?

He should be sitting out a 30 day ban and be removed from the CSM for those threats!



You should probably learn some reading comprehension. He was merely stating "I could if I wanted". He didn't actually say he was going to.

I'm pretty sure I'd be that mad too if I borked up royally like that and a news company trolled me in a conversation. Personally I think the guy had balls to entertain an interview in the face of humiliation.



Which part of this isn't clear:

Jimblidge > Np, I've begun to look for my killers, worldwide, in the real life, so, sorry for all them.

Read page 2.
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#114 - 2014-03-05 14:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
What's ALOD? Why is every TMC article so full of insider jargon and unexplained acronyms that you have to have a separate Google tab open? Do the writers not know the fundamentals of communication, or are they just being 'leet?

Also, is posting a series of back-to-back rhetorical questions still considered bad form?
Qweasdy
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#115 - 2014-03-05 14:59:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Poor Raven. Cry
At least it's in a better place now. All ends well.


I do not consider zkillboard to be a good place for a ship to end up

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#116 - 2014-03-05 15:15:20 UTC
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