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How to rebalance CRUOR
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Buckethead bot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-03-03 15:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Buckethead bot
Hi,
Have to agree, unless they give it a range bonus to the nos/neuts to go with the web range bonus (will be to op) the current change suggested by ccp is total crap.

No optimal bonus, so only 10km with scorch, so can't kite easily. The Nos amount bonus (and constant suck) will give it too much cap, and force it into a brawler config but it's not going to have enough low slots to use that extra cap in an active tank with any considerable damage.

My idea would be to :
Keep the new nos change
Ad 25 bandwith
Remove web bonus, ad bonus to web drones
Remove mid slot, add low slot.

very simple, and balanced since drones can be killed, its also a nice idea to bring some life to totaly underused web drones
Feel free to post youre ideas
Naomi Anthar
#2 - 2014-03-03 15:29:55 UTC
Buckethead bot wrote:
Hi,
Have to agree, unless they give it a range bonus to the nos/neuts to go with the web range bonus (will be to op) the current change suggested by ccp is total crap.

No optimal bonus, so only 10km with scorch, so can't kite easily. The Nos amount bonus (and constant suck) will give it too much cap, and force it into a brawler config but it's not going to have enough low slots to use that extra cap in an active tank with any considerable damage.

My idea would be to :
Keep the new nos change
Ad 25 bandwith
Remove web bonus, ad bonus to web drones
Remove mid slot, add low slot.

very simple, and balanced since drones can be killed, its also a nice idea to bring some life to totaly underused web drones
Feel free to post youre ideas


Remove mid slot ... ? Wow ... no fking way.
Maybe cruor can use some work, but you need to post in dedicated topic. And hell no for yet another amarrish frigate with 2 mids.
What you suggest also sends cruor into deep ass once again, as 2 new small drones are there to help VERY crap damage cruor has. And if i swap them for web drones i will end in non damage ship once again.
Yeah 2 drones actually add some damage in frigate fights.
Buckethead bot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-03-03 15:56:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Buckethead bot
Have you read all of my post ?
you cant even squeeze 200 dps even with this 2 hobos. Unless you dont wana have any tank with these 3 lows , then ok

look here:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22029801#new
do you think that these 2 dones and less tracking from 60% web would help this pimed to max cruor win this fight ?
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-03-03 16:32:33 UTC
Buckethead bot wrote:
Have you read all of my post ?
you cant even squeeze 200 dps even with this 2 hobos. Unless you dont wana have any tank with these 3 lows , then ok

look here:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22029801#new
do you think that these 2 dones and less tracking from 60% web would help this pimed to max cruor win this fight ?


There is a sticked discussion already for this.
200 dps from a ewar based frig is kinda good.
the neut bonuses will hurt many many ships they are applied to especially logi.
the web range can be used to help catch stuff or defensively to keep people away while you neut and kill your victim.
I imagine it will be tricky to use this ship well as a solo ship but i can see it having uses in small gangs.
I for one look forward to having another fun ship to fly and yet another that i will suck at flying to the merriment of my corp mates.

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Buckethead bot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-03-03 16:38:04 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Buckethead bot wrote:
Have you read all of my post ?
you cant even squeeze 200 dps even with this 2 hobos. Unless you dont wana have any tank with these 3 lows , then ok

look here:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22029801#new
do you think that these 2 dones and less tracking from 60% web would help this pimed to max cruor win this fight ?


There is a sticked discussion already for this.
200 dps from a ewar based frig is kinda good.
the neut bonuses will hurt many many ships they are applied to especially logi.
the web range can be used to help catch stuff or defensively to keep people away while you neut and kill your victim.
I imagine it will be tricky to use this ship well as a solo ship but i can see it having uses in small gangs.
I for one look forward to having another fun ship to fly and yet another that i will suck at flying to the merriment of my corp mates.


For gang action you got dedicated hyienas, sentinels, or lokis etc.
If you want 200 dps then you will and up with less than 4k hp....
the range will give you nothing since cruor is a slow ass ship.
unless you want to go mwd then, good luck to have pgu for 2 noses in highs and any tank
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#6 - 2014-03-03 16:40:28 UTC
OP is probably one of those people who doesn't understand what fleet combat is, nor does he likely understand the idea that some ships are deliberately intended to be amazing at something other than DPS.

The Cruor as proposed is intended to be part of a fleet and is intended to keep the target's cap totally dry while other ships do the proverbial heavy lifting of applying raw DPS.

When you look at ships in EVE and consider how they should be balanced, you need to consider the idea that there are other people in the game too, and that you don't have to do everything solo. Because there are, and you don't. Teamwork is a thing, as shocking as it may be.

Also, post in the dedicated thread. You're not a special snowflake and you don't have anything to say that's worth its own special topic.

Requesting a lock for this thread as there's already a pre-existing, active, sticky thread on the topic.
Buckethead bot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-03-03 16:44:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Buckethead bot
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
OP is probably one of those people who doesn't understand what fleet combat is, nor does he likely understand the idea that some ships are deliberately intended to be amazing at something other than DPS.

The Cruor as proposed is intended to be part of a fleet and is intended to keep the target's cap totally dry while other ships do the proverbial heavy lifting of applying raw DPS.

When you look at ships in EVE and consider how they should be balanced, you need to consider the idea that there are other people in the game too, and that you don't have to do everything solo. Because there are, and you don't. Teamwork is a thing, as shocking as it may be.

Also, post in the dedicated thread. You're not a special snowflake and you don't have anything to say that's worth its own special topic.

Requesting a lock for this thread as there's already a pre-existing, active, sticky thread on the topic.



i sugest you to take a look at sentinel , he will do this role BILIONS TIME better than cruor.
he will cap out any frig in 2 cycles from 30km range. Even no web is needed
And i am not complaying on the cruor dps , he just cant have any dps or tank . 1 single t1 frigate cant wtf pwn him if its not a laser ship.
Sigras
Conglomo
#8 - 2014-03-03 16:50:45 UTC
Why do you insist on making this a DPS oriented ship? nobody complains about the Bhaalgorn's DPS (or lack thereof)

The way I see it, this isnt a combat ship that can fit neuts and a web, this is a neuting webbing ship that can fit lasers if you want.
Buckethead bot
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-03-03 16:52:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Buckethead bot
Sigras wrote:
Why do you insist on making this a DPS oriented ship? nobody complains about the Bhaalgorn's DPS (or lack thereof)

The way I see it, this isnt a combat ship that can fit neuts and a web, this is a neuting webbing ship that can fit lasers if you want.


Becouse i have sentinel for this role ? i have dragon for this role ?
They will do it alot BETTER and CHEAPER
Cruor will end up what it is now
+ have you ever fought in frigates ? the cap life is not as important as in biggerships battles with logis, capitals and stuff...
Its all about speed , dps and tank
Jureth22
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-03-03 17:57:35 UTC
Buckethead bot wrote:
Hi,
Have to agree, unless they give it a range bonus to the nos/neuts to go with the web range bonus (will be to op) the current change suggested by ccp is total crap.

No optimal bonus, so only 10km with scorch, so can't kite easily. The Nos amount bonus (and constant suck) will give it too much cap, and force it into a brawler config but it's not going to have enough low slots to use that extra cap in an active tank with any considerable damage.

My idea would be to :
Keep the new nos change
Ad 25 bandwith
Remove web bonus, ad bonus to web drones
Remove mid slot, add low slot.

very simple, and balanced since drones can be killed, its also a nice idea to bring some life to totaly underused web drones
Feel free to post youre ideas


hi,you must be a special kind of potato