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Stratios vs Ishtar for low sec Sansha exploration

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Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#1 - 2014-03-02 23:04:15 UTC
Looking for some advice on whether to go with the Stratios or the Ishtar for low sec combat exploration, specifically Sansha space. Firstly, can the Stratios effectively deal with Sansha 5/10 and 6/10 and if so what sort of fit should I be looking at? I don't have much experience with the Ishtar and was hoping some of you grizzled exploration veterans could suggest whether the Ishtar would be preferable over the Stratios. I do like the idea of covert ops cloak on the Stratios. Any help, feedback or suggestions would be much appreciated :)
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2014-03-02 23:21:08 UTC
Stratios can't break Skomener Effotber so Ishtar is your only real option if you're solo and want the 6/10 as an option.
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#3 - 2014-03-02 23:27:53 UTC
Thanks for your reply. So looks like Ishtar is the way to go then. Any more advice or ideas would be welcome. Any suggested fits that work well in low sec Sansha DED sites for the Ishtar?
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#4 - 2014-03-03 10:19:48 UTC
I should probably mention I'm looking at Ishtar armor fits if anyone has any suggestions. Smile
Dan Rae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-03-03 11:30:29 UTC
Orionos Irvam wrote:
I should probably mention I'm looking at Ishtar armor fits if anyone has any suggestions. Smile


You'd be wasting your time trying to armour fit an Ishtar, you wont get the DPS. Try something like this;

[Ishtar, Lo-sec combat sites]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Improved Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Garde II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Warrior II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warden II x5

800DPS with Gardes.
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#6 - 2014-03-03 11:39:06 UTC
Thanks for that fit. Looks like I'll have to train some shield skills then Sad If anyone else has any other suggestions I'd be grateful Smile
Dan Rae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-03-03 11:40:31 UTC
You could also use a Stratios, when fit as follows it would put out 772DPS with Gardes & Gleam.

[Stratios, Lo-sec combat sites]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
10MN Afterburner II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Gleam M
Quad Light Beam Laser II, Gleam M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier II


Garde II x4
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Salvage Drone I x5
Ogre II x4
Warden II x4
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#8 - 2014-03-03 12:14:22 UTC
Thanks for the Stratios option too Dan....makes decisions even harder! Smile I currently use a Stratios for High Sec stuff. I had a feeling the Ishtar might have been the way to go but will give both these a look.
Dan Rae
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-03-03 12:18:50 UTC
Orionos Irvam wrote:
Thanks for the Stratios option too Dan....makes decisions even harder! Smile I currently use a Stratios for High Sec stuff. I had a feeling the Ishtar might have been the way to go but will give both these a look.


No worries, my fits reveal that I am no expert in these matters at all, but I use what works for me. good thing about the Stratios and Ishtar is that you can use whatever turrets you are skilled for, or none at all if you would rather have the utility, due to the drones having such high dps by themselves.
Notorious Fellon
#10 - 2014-03-03 14:09:28 UTC
You will be way more likely to get into a bit of pvp in lowsec than high.

Last I checked, Ishtar is still cheaper than a Stratios.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2014-03-03 15:21:21 UTC
Use curators vs em weak enemies. They do about 1-3% more damage vs high-tier battleships and elite ship, are slightly worse vs lower tier stuff, but have beautiful long range.

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Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#12 - 2014-03-03 15:40:24 UTC
Thanks for the advice. I shall test both drone types I think. And yes, as the Ishtar is cheaper it's another good reason to consider it for low-sec stuff. To be honest, the drone damage alone, being better than the Stratios, makes me tempted to give it a shot. Any more fitting suggestions or advice would be great Smile
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#13 - 2014-03-03 16:05:39 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Stratios can't break Skomener Effotber so Ishtar is your only real option if you're solo and want the 6/10 as an option.


Sorry, not true. Stratios can kill him fine. This fact alone doesn't make it a good choice for this plex though. Grinding battleship hordes in the rooms is a chore, unless one is really into chasing after every single rat to apply full damage. #goteamishtar
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#14 - 2014-03-03 19:10:25 UTC
I'm just wondering...shouldn't I be fitting a MWD to avoid camps? I've used MWD+Cloak in null but not sure how much it is needed in low-sec. Sorry for the stupid question Smile
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
#15 - 2014-03-03 19:27:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Koval
Yes you'll have to dodge camps (occasionally pretty big ones) in low-sec. So that's another thing to consider, as Stratios will make it considerably easier (especially if you fit for agility while travelling). Having an alt scout would help immensely if you chose the Ishtar.

Consider that you'll actually be spending a lot more time travelling and looking for sites/plexes than running them. In my eyes it goes something like this:

- Ishtar is somewhat cheaper (but the difference is not huge) but also a bit more prone to being caught.
- Ishtar >> Stratios for running plexes.
- Stratios >> Ishtar for pretty much everything else you'll be doing as part of your exploration (assuming you are not gonna be PvPing ;))

In the end I'd personally give a nod to the Stratios and simply skip any 6/10s if the conditions were not ideal (not like they're guaranteed to drop something good anyway, you'll have plenty of 'empty' runs too).
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#16 - 2014-03-03 23:40:02 UTC
Thanks for everyone's advice. I think, after a bit of shield training, I'll give the stratios a go with the fit. As I have the ship already might as well try it out :)
raider womb
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2014-03-04 01:41:00 UTC
http://jestertrek.blogspot.de/2014/01/fit-of-week-isktar.html
I bet with slight modifications this will work nicely


[Ishtar, ISKtar]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

100MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Drone Navigation Computer II
Drone Navigation Computer II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Small 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Small 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Prototype Cloaking Device I /OFFLINE

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Ogre II x5
Wasp II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-03-04 10:42:15 UTC
Stratios for anything under 6/10.

Take a mobile depo with you and fit for whats needed.

Go in via WH/ travel fit. Change to PvE/ scanning fit. Change to all out PvE for 6/10's

No Worries

Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#19 - 2014-03-04 12:24:52 UTC
Thanks for that Chrome. This is what I will be doing I think. Managed to grab a mobile depot for this very purpose. Do you have any sugegsted fits to add to the mix?
Funky Koval
Bad Artists
#20 - 2014-03-04 20:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Funky Koval
Orionos Irvam wrote:
Thanks for everyone's advice. I think, after a bit of shield training, I'll give the stratios a go with the fit. As I have the ship already might as well try it out :)


My comment on the Stratios combat fit posted earlier is what Batelle has already suggested: Curators. I wouldn't use that fit as posted, although I would try to fit a shield rather than armor tank too (lows are pretty much reserved for damage mods).

The gist of it is: make it as good a platform for sniping with Curators as you can. That means three things:

1) DPS: 3 DDAs at least, pereferably 4.

2) mobillity: I would consider MWD a must (Gist C-type is quite good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg these days).

3) ranged damage projection: meaning drone link augmentors rather than lasers in highs, and probably a Signal Amplifier in low. One turret of some sort will be useful for pulling aggro, but they are not very good as far as damage dealing (especially vs Sanshas with their TD, use light drones to kill any frigs that get too close).

Finally, there's the question of finding out if you can sacrifice any tank to fit an omni or two (Fed Navy preferable); since you'll be taking EM/Thermal damage your shields are very week too, this may be tricky and maybe not worth it in the end.

You should be aming to engage at ~80km range, and keep relocating and blapping them from distance until incoming damage is manageable; then switch to Gardes or light drones as situatioin dictates.


EDIT: Just realized that unlike Ishtar Stratios does not get MWD sig reduction bonus , so might cause not only some cap issues, but also incoming dmg issues; so maybe it's better to stick with an AB after all.

Anyway, hope you have fun playing with the possibilities in EFT, pyfa or w/e you use, to me it's one of the things that makes the game so enjoyable ;).