Player Features and Ideas Discussion

35% tax rate for people in NPC corps will lead to statues being shot, mass outrage, angry forum threads like you haven't seen in a couple of years and more than just a few unsubs. Newbies will rush to make corporations just as soon as they possibly can, regardless of the risks or requirements or penalties you impose. It will probably go poorly for them, at which point they'll blame CCP and quit.

As a CAS Alumni, I can guarantee you all these things will happen. And that's just one of the NPC corp communities.

Lin Suzei - Perhaps your proximity to the FW nonsense has given you an excessive bias towards this situation.

Paying a tiny price does not entitle you to goodies. Working as intended. You wanted that POS down? It's down. Working as intended.
You know, I tried finding non-mutual war, at least one, in 20th century. I failed. Every major military conflict in 20th century were in fact mutual. If one of the parties do not want to war, there's plenty of ways to avoid it. Become refugees, seek protection from stronger states, enter an agreement involving assets in question into mutual usage, or simply paying ransom, whatever it is, whoever wanted to dodge the war always did it... for a price. So when war happened, it was a mutual war with both parties willing to shoot each other.
I assure you nobody would fight if they cannot win. That includes you. That includes the carefully selected corps you grief dec. If people were forced to stay in corp, it would just increase their downtime. Sticking their head in the sand is indeed bad, but fighting is immensely worse, it could easily turn their losses from downtime to 10x - absolute risk, zero reward. As long as risk/reward equation would stick near infinity, any rational person would duck.
The problem is, attacker carries no risk, and everything he actually does is a reward or neutral. Defender gets no reward, and everything he does results in a loss - even if he brings allies, you will duck, allies would kill nothing, and defender is at loss for hiring costs again, which tend to be way over grief dec costs. This is disbalance of war dec which needs fixing. Right now defender has no reasons to undock, because undocking is pure loss. Even if you forgot/couldn't take down that pos, if you come to defend it, you'll only get extra loss of whatever you showed up for defense in.
So, once again, a quick repeat of key points:
a) You're not entitled to kills just because you paid a really low price.
b) Defender has no incentive to undock, because even if he does, he gains nothing, and loses everything he undocks.
c) Attacker is invulnerable to any defender action, because he can duck just as well as defender, before getting that blob and melting whatever got him ducking, which defender had no chance against due to size difference.
d) Grief dec = feeling entitled to remove hisec from anyone you want and take all his undocked stuff, while pretending the process leading to that is called pvp.


I wonder how marmites manage it with so small amount of catalysts? Somebody must be worse than them...


- Waiter, there's a fly in my soup!
- Don't tell me you expected beef there for your 50 cents!
Paying a tiny price like this doesn't entitle you to get thingies. If you would pay the price of assets you're about to destroy, that would somehow justify your "paid for it" argument. Otherwise, war dec costs are next to free and shouldn't make you feel entitled to anything.
- personal attacks thoroughly ignored -

So they can drop to an NPC corp (and stay there, instead of exploiting the low corp creation cost to be immune to war while not paying NPC tax)?

The really funny/horrifying part is when you realize that he's not trolling at all.

i think everyone thought that when he started posting to the previous thread. After many Attempts to politely educate him and even after defending him from the not so polite responses,,, and after receiving only vitriolic attacks for our efforts,,, and finally after him not learning a thing--- he either must be a troll, or a complete idiot incapable of rational thought. My conclusion is troll, through and through.

I like all of that except the upkeep cost. While it is chump change for most, this would seem pretty hefty for new players and the more casual players. Start up fee and minimal players I like. It won't stop all people but will deter or make it more difficult to subtly bypass wars. NPC tax of 20% would be less crazy, but I get what you mean. Make having a Corporation or being in one REALLY mean something!

I am sorry, but I haven't seen a single bigger idiot than you. I have read whole thread and not a single time he was saying anything idiotic.

That was not even a troll attempt. I was simply amazed, that after those arguments he felt calling him an idiot/troll, when he clearly has rational and well thought ideas about how ****** wardec is (and it is). That's all.

Since you like to read here is the old thread which bled into this one before finally dying. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=323476 You will see how I (and others) tried to point out nicely why he was wrong and how I (and others) tried to teach him how to see the truth and be better. Since I wasnt the only person doing this, you will also see multiple viewpoints of how and why all his non-factual arguments have been disproven with facts. If you are new to the game I can almost understand how you might believe that his posts contain any truth, however, since you say you read the entire thread then I find it almost impossible that you believe basil's, droll repetitive and contradicted through numerous fact post's, still make any sense at all. The mutual war thing is the perfect recent example of either your stupidity or trollness , and props to merchant ally for digging out some of the lesser known ones and not just going with the easy ones. So I guess your either a troll, or and idiot just like basil.

Just because your as eloquent as basil ever was, I will mark you down as one of his alts and personally hunt you until you unsub. Time to find some eve investigators, I know you have some more alts out there basil. They are going to die.

Here's the list of all wars post WWII, I suggest Basil go and read through them, no doubt he probably thinks the only wars in the 20th century were WWI, WWII and 'Nam. Even the German invasion of Poland, which started WWII wasn't mutual, the Poles were outnumbered, outgunned and ill-equipped, yet they still fought back.
Thing is, with EvE losses aren't actual human lives lost and fighting back with ships which cost little with insurance (something else which needs fixed, to spur newer players on with PvP rather than discourage/force to frigates and destroyers) can mean that with a cheap fleet of T1 cruisers, you can inflict one or two heavy losses to the enemy while still losing all your ships and those one or two ships you killed would far outweigh the ISK value of what you lost.
This seemed to happen an awful lot more in the days of olde and there are a few likely culprits as to why it happens less now. I'd say bad ship insurance is one but the other, larger issue is the massive use of alts as scouts, which I'll admit to doing myself. I can't really see an ingame fix to alt scouts and I doubt there ever will be, I suppose the best workaround would be guides for new players on how to metagame themselves, such as using log-on, clonejump and wormhole traps.
Unlike what Basil thinks I actually want players to fight rather than just run away, if they choose to ignore the war and run missions and die, that's their own damn fault. Most wars aren't mutual, though in most wars both sides actually end up fighting, obviously with one's head so far up one's backside such as Basil's is, differentiating the two must be confusing and difficult.