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Returning from year hiatus - Still a newb - Gila questions.

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Ehrghiez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-03-01 09:13:42 UTC
I'll try and not waste time so I'll get to the point after a disclosure. For all intents and purposes I am a newb. Treat me as such. Abuse and all. (I kinda like it ;p)

TL;DR - L4s too time consuming. Reverting to L3s for blitzing for LPs. Current SPs not entirely suited for Gila, but hoping for some input from the community. Shield and Missile skills are terribad as SPs were put into Gunnery and Armor, but I has T2 drones. Cross-training worthwhile?


I have 8.4m SP. Most of which is designated towards 'Gallente' ship builds. Drones, Armor, and Gunnery. I've never cared for Gunnery in PvE environments. Regardless of the current meta-game, I find the consistent DPS of missiles to be more comforting, despite their downsides. The effects are more visually appealing as well.

My skills in both Shield Tanking and Missiles are lacking to say the least. This is where my dilemma comes into play. I've been browsing to find a ship for L3 blitzing that suits my play style. Lazy, but effective. I'd rather warp into the encounter, sit in one spot (if favorable) and blow stuff up. While browsing the ISIS I found the Gila and it immediately sparked my interest. Did some research on the ship and it suits my playstyle. The catch is that my Shield and Missile skills are terribad. So I have not yet decided whether or not it is worthwhile to train for Shield tanking and missiles.

I can use T2 Sentries to decent effect. I run L4s in a Sentry Domi fit. I enjoy my Dominix, but there are times where I think I rushed too quickly into BS and L4s as my experience (or lack thereof) in-game often forces me to ask myself, "How can I do this more efficiently with the SPs I have?" Truth be told there isn't much to be said about warping in, dropping sentries and popping everything, but I think I should take it down a notch and allow myself some time to get back into L4s after I've come to proper grips with the game.

So my question (more or less) is whether or not it is worthwhile to cross train into Shields and Missiles regardless of previous skill priority allocated to Armor and Gunnery? On one hand it suits my playstyle (for PvE at least,) but on the other hand, I'd be taking training time away from where I've already invested some time. In short, is it worth cross-training for one ship?

At any rate, if you made it this far you have my gratitude and kudos. Comments and suggestions are appreciated. If I am unclear about my question(s), my apologies. Its 3am here and I've been procrastinating going to sleep in favor of 'research' XD.

Fly safe!



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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#2 - 2014-03-01 11:27:09 UTC
Hi I looked you up on eveboard .

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ehrghiez

Your skill ques remind me of me when I first started .... I call it "training by OHHH SHINEY"



If you like drones and drone boats stick with it. You have gall Cruiser at 4 get it to 5 and go with Heavy assult cruiser the Ishtar.

Yes it might be a few days longer for training but it will keep you on track to what you want to fly, and it will play to your strengths.








Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-03-01 11:29:35 UTC
quick answer: vexor navy or ishtar.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Shane Kryst
Tradewinds Heavy Industries
#4 - 2014-03-01 17:18:01 UTC
As you said... newb advise incoming:

You can block and password protect your info from eveboard on their site. People should ASK for your info and YOU should decide who gets it.


Shane
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-03-01 17:41:34 UTC
Shane Kryst wrote:
As you said... newb advise incoming:

You can block and password protect your info from eveboard on their site. People should ASK for your info and YOU should decide who gets it.


Shane


Too be honost...paranoia has it's limits.

My main characters are all open to anybody who wants to find them on EVEboard.
Only a couple of highly specialized alts for certain tasks are protected, not like people can't find out how you are skilled by just looking at what you fly etc.

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Shane Kryst
Tradewinds Heavy Industries
#6 - 2014-03-01 19:40:01 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Shane Kryst wrote:
As you said... newb advise incoming:

You can block and password protect your info from eveboard on their site. People should ASK for your info and YOU should decide who gets it.


Shane


Too be honost...paranoia has it's limits.

My main characters are all open to anybody who wants to find them on EVEboard.
Only a couple of highly specialized alts for certain tasks are protected, not like people can't find out how you are skilled by just looking at what you fly etc.




I disagree entirely. Paranoia will keep you alive. Sun Tsu once wrote. .. the less they know, the more advantage you have.

And it was pure advice in case he did not know.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-03-01 21:16:02 UTC
Shane Kryst wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Shane Kryst wrote:
As you said... newb advise incoming:

You can block and password protect your info from eveboard on their site. People should ASK for your info and YOU should decide who gets it.


Shane


Too be honost...paranoia has it's limits.

My main characters are all open to anybody who wants to find them on EVEboard.
Only a couple of highly specialized alts for certain tasks are protected, not like people can't find out how you are skilled by just looking at what you fly etc.




I disagree entirely. Paranoia will keep you alive. Sun Tsu once wrote. .. the less they know, the more advantage you have.

And it was pure advice in case he did not know.


I would agree...if SP was a major impact on things.

Luckily it isn't.

My near perfect Subpilot can be found on EVEBoard...

So, now you know it's skills, does that tell you which ship I will fly...nope.
Does it tell you how it will be fitted...nope.
Does it tell you what tactics I will use...nope.
Does it tell you who I'm flying with...nope.

Basically, besides a list of possible options (which can be A LOT), you have no intel at all that is really useful.

And what ships a person likes to fly...just run to a killboard and it will tell you, with or without EVEboard.
Any killboard is a much better way to know thy enemy.

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Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-03-01 21:41:44 UTC
I just want to point out that shield tanking skills are a rather short train in the scheme of things. And you won't really regret training them. It opens up a lot of new options.

Missiles...somewhat longer. If you just want to stick with drones, vexor navy issue, ishtar, and myrmidon are all good choices for level 3s. If you really want missiles, train for missiles. Keep in mind that level 3s are rather more forgiving than level 4s. And having "non-ideal" dps won't be nearly as painful in level 3s so feel free to experiment.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-03-01 21:48:20 UTC
Shane Kryst wrote:
Sun Tsu once wrote. .. the less they know, the more advantage you have.

yea, right next to where he wrote 'The medium is the message.' and 'Thou shall not bear false witness.'

I should buy an Ishtar.

Ehrghiez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-03-02 00:35:00 UTC
Much thanks and kudos for the replies. I didn't know my API info was open to the public, but thanks for those of you who pointed it out to me. Not too incredibly concerned. If anything it shows what I'd need to train, but again, thanks for pointing it out.

My initial plan was to train towards an Ishtar and essentially turn it into a smaller variant of my current Dominix build (minus the MJD) but I saw the Gila and figured it would make sense to run that for L3 blitzing.

I like the Gila for its massive drone bay. While it isn't necessary, it allows me to field 3 sets of Sentries and a set of Hobs. The flexibility is nice.

The more I look at current Ishtar fits, the more I see a trend in passive shield tank builds, so it seems that either way I'll find myself training for shields regardless of which direction I choose to go for.

I plan on eventually graduating into the Rattlesnake or Mach for running Incursions. So far thats the idea. The reality is that I still have much to learn.

For the third time, thanks for the suggestions and advice. Its much appreciated.

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Boomhaur
#11 - 2014-03-03 01:24:17 UTC
Here's a not so perfect Gila fit from a few min in EFT. I'd personally run something like this if I were to run a Gila in lv3's, it's not optimal as I don't know what your skills are at exactly so I tried to create at least a little bit of wiggle room.

It's not worth investing too much time in missiles for this ship they do such an insignificant amount of DPS it's not even funny. I know that for a fact, I used to fly one in lv4's. It's better to rely on drones, if fitting is tight just remove 1-2 of the missiles launchers you won't be missing much trust me. And in it's place toss in more of the auto targeters so you have more max locks, and plus if you turn them on it will lock onto anything targeting you. Handy little thing to do when you are mopping up the room or after you locked all your primary targets. Just be sure to keep 1 missile launcher so you can draw aggro.

[Gila, LV3 setup]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Auto Targeting System I
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

you mix of drones, it sounds like you already know what you want

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Ehrghiez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-03-03 01:40:57 UTC
Boomhaur wrote:
Here's a not so perfect Gila fit from a few min in EFT. I'd personally run something like this if I were to run a Gila in lv3's, it's not optimal as I don't know what your skills are at exactly so I tried to create at least a little bit of wiggle room.

It's not worth investing too much time in missiles for this ship they do such an insignificant amount of DPS it's not even funny. I know that for a fact, I used to fly one in lv4's. It's better to rely on drones, if fitting is tight just remove 1-2 of the missiles launchers you won't be missing much trust me. And in it's place toss in more of the auto targeters so you have more max locks, and plus if you turn them on it will lock onto anything targeting you. Handy little thing to do when you are mopping up the room or after you locked all your primary targets. Just be sure to keep 1 missile launcher so you can draw aggro.

[Gila, LV3 setup]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Prototype 'Arbalest' Light Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Light Missile
Auto Targeting System I
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

you mix of drones, it sounds like you already know what you want



Apparently my character info is open to all. I havent bothered to go and set the privacy settings as of yet. There is a link up a ways in this thread.

I figured when/if I decide to fit a Gila, the fit would be something like this. I am unfamiliar with how autotargeters work, so the only thing I would personally change with this build is replacing the ATSx2 for Drone Control Mods. Thanks for the fit and advice =D

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Boomhaur
#13 - 2014-03-03 01:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Forgot about the drone control mods, I knew something looked a little off. I would toss in 1 of those at least.

As for auto targeters their clunky pieces of junk to not be relied upon unless you want more max locks or can't fit anything else which more than likely will happen with a Gila. Pretty much once you get all your primary targets locked in a group I would switch it on so it keeps locking every person engaging you while you kill, just know it won't magically auto target every NPC in a cycle as it's a lot more finicky than that. None the less it's still worthwhile using if you have nothing else to fit as it makes targetting a little lazier.

In terms of this build if you were to grab aggro and target someone and shoot them, than turn on the auto targeter and have the drones set to auto aggress you could watch your drones quite easily while they destroy each of your enemies while you don't lift a finger. In short it makes your build even lazier if you choose to do so.

This is pretty much what I do in my TFI when I get bored and run a lv3, but on top of the sentries I use the rapid heavy missiles launcher. And well lets just say it's quite entertaining to watch everything blow up in the room in an instant. Though FoF missiles are fun but wasteful as I tend to have enough missiles in the air to blow a target up twice over before the it's destroyed. The auto targeter is the only thing that lets me keep up with how fast I am killing as it's too dang annoying to keep locking lock target in this case.

Oh and as for your skills the website is offline, thats the message I got.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Ehrghiez
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-03-03 01:59:03 UTC
I was unaware that drones could auto-aggro.... No...Wait... Its best I don't think about that, haha. Honestly cant wait to try the build out. Again, much thanks.

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