Out of Pod Experience

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Rain just because you fought in a war does not mean that you fought in them all

They have long long memories in the Ukraine

The Holocaust of the ethnic Ukrainians did not happen that long ago when 6 Million Peasants were starved to death by the Russians.


if you dont think it could happen again it happened in the Balkans not very long ago


Alway remember the Betrayal of the Cossacks which was a discrace of the British High command



I wish that the west had half the strenght that they have

(Im English and its going down the toilet)

As much as I'm always against RL politicians going toward military aggression (whether it be Russia, America or my own country doing it), I have a feeling this thread will be getting nuked with extreme prejudice soon.

West has a lengthy flow chart for dealing with situations like this. Goes kinda like this

How the west deals with these situations:

We don't agree with what you're doing lets talk about it, If that fails... We don't like what you're doing, we might have to put sanctions on you, If that fails, Here are some sanctions... if that fails, We REALLY don't like what you're doing, we mite have to consider using military action.. If that does not work, After 3-4 weeks of debate, we have considering using military action, if you do not not stop.. if that does not work, Military action is taken(after figuring out who going to do what, and much much)....

How Russia deals with this.....

We don't like what you're doing - Military action.

Do me a favor and do not draw assumptions about me and do not put words in my mouth. I was simply giving advice about the satus RIGHT NOW. The past has already happened. I said nothing about the Balkans or the Cossacks.

If you believe for one second that the average European thinks America is slow to judgement and cautious, then you've never set foot outside the US and can stop being so *pretentiously* argumentative. Who said anything about outrage? I said that there is more criticism of the US right now than even Russia, and that's true. People are either yelling that the US needs to get involved or they're yelling that the US doesn't need to get involved. The focus isn't even on Ukraine vs. Russia anymore, but rather the US/NATO vs. Russia now that Russia has pledged to keep forces in Crimea. The sentiment here is like, "Welp, they're doing it again...we knew this would happen eventually." People here almost expect this from Russia, and even if they don't condone it, they're more accepting of it than if the US had done something like this. Just watch. The US will become the bad guy in people's eyes here, whether through inaction or by taking action. This can't be news to you, surely. This is the story of our lives as Americans.

What articles? I'm talking about PEOPLE. As an American in Europe, I'll simply walk outside my door and walk down the street while people ask me, "Are you going to attack Russia?" Some of them think the US actually invaded Syria. The fact that it's not true is precisely my point - a point that shot way over your head - that facts never get in the way of public opinion, no matter how wrong said opinion may be.

But don't take my word for it; I'm sure you can get all the accurate information you'll ever need from BBC headlines on your Facebook page, especially about that new Ukrainian interim government the media loves. It's not like they're riddled with neo-fascists or anything. Oh wait...

I've been to Europe 3 times. My grandmother lived in Berlin, and a slew of relatives (every single other member of my mother's family) that were stuck in the East until 1989. I've seen the Stazi in action.

I don't even have a Facebook page. Got rid of it 3 years ago.

And.......both Russia and Ukraine are filled with "neo-fascists". I don't think there is really any distinction.

Again. There are too many assumptions being made for any kind of real dialogue to happen around this at all.

What's happening is the corrupt officials were ousted after the protests, and the people in charge now were darlings of the media, seen as the ousters of a corrupt regime...and they sorta were. However, what's just now coming to light is that many of those darlings are far-right wing extremists. Let's be honest here: these were elected officials, and as corrupt as they may have been, they were still elected. This fact was simply pushed under the rug by the media, hoping no one would notice. I'm not saying the protesters were bad, I'm just saying the media as usual lumped everyone together when it's far too complex to be simplified in such a way.

My original point was simply that in Europeans' eyes, whether they even realize it or not, Russia often gets a free pass with them. Sure, they may say it's wrong, but you won't see huge protests in London or Rome or Paris against Russia like you saw against the US on the eve of the Iraq war. What's more, Russia has CLAIMED Crimea; they don't want to simply invade, they want to keep it. The US never had any intention of taking over any other country, simply correcting what Bush and co. felt needed correcting. Sure it's arrogant, but it's not empire-building. Yet no one bats an eye when in the last few years Russia has attacked and absorbed two countries.

All I know is Putin is spanking Obama all over the place in terms of international politics. First the Syria weapons undressing in front of the international public, and now this.

gg Putin

Edit: Obama needs to call D!ck Cheney for some advice.

just give the Russians their Vodka, and this will be over shortly