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Tron Flux
Warlock Assassins
#41 - 2011-11-28 05:01:26 UTC
I don't see how this happened. You have all the relevant people on your watch list. Did this person suddenly disappear from your watch list? Or did you never get this person because they were "neutral"? It seems like a case of failed intel to me. When the corps I've been in have been decced, we spent the time to go through all possible know associates, scout where people had been, and who they were on killmails with. We were able to catch most of the things like this, and when neutral enemies came into system, we knew.

It's not an ideal method because that's a lot of work. But it's not imposible to figure things out if you do your diligence. That said, if it is, in fact, an exploit, I would petition the eff out of it after I found the person and blew them up nice and good.

This is not a HTFU post. This is a, "There are ways around these issues" kind of post. I'm just saying that you are not at the total mercy of people who engage in the tactics, exploit or not. Taking the time to et good intel about what's happening in a wardec is worth it.

Anyway, good luck with everything. Let us know if you get a response to the petition. And spend the time researching your opponents when you have a war dec active.

~Tron
Otocinclus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2011-11-28 05:53:38 UTC
Since I"ve personally done this with Hooride many times, I will tell all of you that what we are doing is not an exploit. We've confirmed it with CCP beforehand and after the fact.

It's prety profitable, you guys should try it some time.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#43 - 2011-11-28 06:07:43 UTC
No, THIS is a HTFU post.

If someone joins a corp right next to you in space, it is an exploit. What Hooride does is not that, nor is his employment history particularly long.

Solstice Project, you are one of the worst posters in EVE. Congrats.

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#44 - 2011-11-28 06:12:41 UTC
Iam Widdershins wrote:
No, THIS is a HTFU post.

If someone joins a corp right next to you in space, it is an exploit. What Hooride does is not that, nor is his employment history particularly long.

Solstice Project, you are one of the worst posters in EVE. Congrats.


What do they do? Just join in station?

In that case, THIS is a HTFU post as well (also a learn to duck wardecs if you want to do something other than pew post).







Also, I am Spartacus

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Otocinclus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2011-11-28 06:19:41 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Iam Widdershins wrote:
No, THIS is a HTFU post.

If someone joins a corp right next to you in space, it is an exploit. What Hooride does is not that, nor is his employment history particularly long.

Solstice Project, you are one of the worst posters in EVE. Congrats.


What do they do? Just join in station?

In that case, THIS is a HTFU post as well (also a learn to duck wardecs if you want to do something other than pew post).







Also, I am Spartacus


Of course we can't just tell you, there's no fun in that.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#46 - 2011-11-28 06:27:13 UTC
Otocinclus wrote:

Of course we can't just tell you, there's no fun in that.


Either it's a commonly known and used game mechanic: possibilities include but are not limited to
Login Trap (doesn't quite look like that)
Corp Change in Station (doesn't quite look like that)
Suicide Gank (unlikely from his description)
Preying on the inattentive (OP could be less than honest)

Or it's an exploit
i.e. Changing corp in space in order to make a kill


Trying to be secretive just makes us suspect you're taking the exploit option.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Otocinclus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2011-11-28 06:28:44 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Otocinclus wrote:

Of course we can't just tell you, there's no fun in that.


Either it's a commonly known and used game mechanic: possibilities include but are not limited to
Login Trap (doesn't quite look like that)
Corp Change in Station (doesn't quite look like that)
Suicide Gank (unlikely from his description)
Preying on the inattentive (OP could be less than honest)

Or it's an exploit
i.e. Changing corp in space in order to make a kill


Trying to be secretive just makes us suspect you're taking the exploit option.


Trying to explain game mechanics you don't understand makes us suspect that you are a ******.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#48 - 2011-11-28 06:37:39 UTC
Otocinclus wrote:

Trying to explain game mechanics you don't understand makes us suspect that you are a ******.


Well screw my sister and call me a Hapsburg. I believe this gentlemen has just told me. Told me what, I have no idea, but he had a hoot and a half telling me. ***8** indeed.

I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics. I asked you to specify which legitimate method of swapping corps you used, and you declined. I then suggested you pick out of the (admittedly incomplete) hat of possibilities for legitimate and gentlemanly bending some unsuspecting WT over a barrel and ganking the hell out of them, to which you replied with simple vulgar abuse, which is fine if you do it well.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Otocinclus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2011-11-28 06:40:10 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics.


Good.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2011-11-28 06:43:48 UTC
Otocinclus wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics.


Good.


By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Otocinclus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-11-28 07:05:28 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Otocinclus wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics.


Good.


By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment.


You've squeezed it out of me, we've all been using an exploit this whole time, petition us all and we will be banned immediately within a day or two.
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#52 - 2011-11-28 07:20:51 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Otocinclus wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics.


Good.


By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment.

Great! So you're probably gonna get killed. Sounds good to me.


Otocinclus wrote:
we will be banned immediately within a day or two.

This

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#53 - 2011-11-28 08:21:35 UTC
Otocinclus wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Otocinclus wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I'm perfectly fine not knowing hisec wardec mechanics.


Good.


By which I meant I'm unconcerned with my present lack of knowledge, not that I do not seek enlightenment.


You've squeezed it out of me, we've all been using an exploit this whole time, petition us all and we will be banned immediately within a day or two.


I don't have proper standing to do that. I don't see the ability to SUDDENLY be a WT next to me being a huge issue. But OP might be happy to hear it.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#54 - 2011-11-28 11:22:54 UTC
Pretty sure the rule are, there need to be a session timer in between , joining a war and engaging in combat.

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#55 - 2011-11-28 15:53:34 UTC
GM Homonoia wrote:
Joining a corporation that is at war, while you are in space with war targets is considered an exploit. You will have to dock up to join in those cases.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#56 - 2011-11-28 18:12:33 UTC
Yet again this needs no furth discussion. A 7 day timer for leaving/joining a corp or allince that is at war is the simple fix to this problem, Then CCP would not even need to handle any war exploits.

A 7 day timer would prevent both war dodging and war hopping to greif.
SiIver Twin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-11-28 18:16:50 UTC
New response today, after chasing it till it was escalated.

It is Confirmed as an exploit.

But... you must catch them in the act. with a character witnessing the act and file the petition immediately.

It's not as if they can check the server logs and see that the person joined corp at the exact same time his weapons were activated... oh wait, the're just being lazy.

Anyway, they said our current complaint is still under investigation and even if there is a result from it. We won't be privy to the result because of privacy issues.

So they could just get a warning and we not even know.

Suggestion, if you suspect someone of using this tactic you'll only catch them if you're losing ships to it.

Luckily enough most attempts have been dodged one way or another but they did get a couple kills.

It's just about impossible to prove them "attempting" to do it.
THXBYE
Elite War Squad
#58 - 2011-11-28 18:25:14 UTC
LMFAO .. nice I never had heard of it before.

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zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-11-28 19:14:01 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=38730&find=unread check the gm response here

GM Homonoia wrote:
Joining a corporation that is at war, while you are in space with war targets is considered an exploit. You will have to dock up to join in those cases.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2011-11-28 19:23:58 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
If:

1. Corp Infiltrator attacks in-corp high-value target (Jump Freighter/Orca)
2. Gets kicked from corp by director while fighting in space and gets Concorded. = Not an exploit???


Too bad that is not possible because you have to be docked or logged off in order to be kicked from a corp.

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