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Crucible, Best Expansion Ever?

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#61 - 2011-11-28 18:05:03 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque.


It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships.

I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE Smile


Glad to hear this confirmed CCP Guard. That statement from Soundwave that there would never again be an Apocrypha scale expansion was one the most depressing things I heard about Eve this year and it made me seriously question why I was continuing with the game. I'm very glad you guys have turned it around and seen the flaw in that line of thinking.

I really look forward to CCP committing to visionary and epic Expansions again that significantly change the game.

And while you're at it please make sure the PI guys read this :

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7655

This is how PI should work.

:)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#62 - 2011-11-28 18:12:10 UTC
- RMR
- the one with heat (don't remember the name)
- the one with tech3 and WHs (don't remember the name)

And this one feels like a big patch with its massive list of small things getting fixed rather than something huge being implemented.

I'm still looking forward some awesome shift in game balance (like Great Nano Fix was). I can even propose few names:

- Great Supercap Fix
- Great EHP Fix
- Great cyno-faggotry Fix

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
#63 - 2011-11-28 18:24:53 UTC
Put me down for cautiously optimistic. This "expansion" has all the hallmarks of serious shifting of gears. Nothing super major new, but yea and verily there are fixes to the interface. Dvorak be praised (no I don't use a Dvorak keyboard, you prat, that was just a geek reference - yeesh).

December is approaching and on the original time schedule (based on the most recent fan-fest) this was when were supposed to start seeing some news on the DUST 514 beta. This has not happened. I can only assume that the hitting the breaks and changing directions we're seeing via Crucible are the cause of that. I hope that in the spring we can start seeing news on DUST 514 that's a little more concrete.

In the meanwhile I'm getting ready for the patch.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#64 - 2011-11-28 18:26:11 UTC
The first expansion best expansion, fortold a future of more to come.

Dust 514's CPM 1 Iron Wolf Saber Eve mail me about Dust 514 issues.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#65 - 2011-11-28 18:26:49 UTC
This is the best patch CCP has EVER put out......but it finda sucks that we dont get a Winter expansion because of it.

o well better then Nex bullshit

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#66 - 2011-11-28 18:32:05 UTC
Best expansion ever?


  • Cloaked ships will no longer decloak other cloaked ships.


It's a possibility. What I wonder though...


  • A warning message is now displayed when trying to offline a grouped weapon.


Why not just offline or remove the group together, like when adding or removing ammo?
Aloe Cloveris
The Greater Goon
#67 - 2011-11-28 18:40:59 UTC
To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente).
Rod Blaine
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#68 - 2011-11-28 18:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rod Blaine
tbh, more or less every expansion since release has been somewhat of a dissapointment.



/bittervet


No, i recall i did like POS bridges and POS's in general at first (what was that? RMR?, NFI tbh), but nowadays i tend to think we'd been better off without them.

One thing i do like however is WH space. That at least is new and rough (well, to someone that returned a month ago it is).
Other then that it looks like the last two years have been one big piece of WOWing it up. Tossers
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#69 - 2011-11-28 18:42:53 UTC
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente).



hemmm, Soon heh, not yet.
mkint
#70 - 2011-11-28 18:45:56 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente).



hemmm, Soon heh, not yet.

Word of the day: anemic

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Aphoxema G
Khushakor Clan
#71 - 2011-11-28 18:50:49 UTC
Aloe Cloveris wrote:
To those saying there's not much content in this expansion, you could argue that this expansion introduces a whole new race (it is Gallente).


Nice.
Mahakaharashi RedEagle
Doomheim
#72 - 2011-11-28 18:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mahakaharashi RedEagle
Best expansion that I've witnessed was Apocrypha. This one looks good atm but those two cannot be really compared.
Valeroth Kyarmentari
Verdant Rampart
#73 - 2011-11-28 19:25:09 UTC
Again, it's not really out yet. But I'm liking the looks of this expansion quite a bit.

More so... it's the attidude of the company this expansion that I like.

I've only been playing about 13 months, so it's the best expansion for me so far.
Feilamya
#74 - 2011-11-28 20:44:05 UTC
It's a named patch, not an expansion.
mkint
#75 - 2011-11-28 20:51:46 UTC
Feilamya wrote:
It's a named patch, not an expansion.

Nah there are enough gameplay changes to call it an expansion. It's just the patch parts are pretty good and the expansion parts mostly suck for anyone who's not a ccp rmt friend. If ccp keeps catering to rmt friends at the expense of everyone else then eve won't survive long .

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Minister of Death
Doomheim
#76 - 2011-11-28 20:59:05 UTC
There are a lot of good and welcome changes, but it doesn't really feel like an "expansion" to me. It feels more like a much needed, much welcome, great big patch. That's not a complaint or derogatory reference, just an opinion. I really love some of the things they have fixed/patched, especially papercuts items and logoffski fix.

However, I feel the PI change is exceptionally destructive to the game. By extension, CCP Omen is also. The fact he has a title "game designer" is, all at the same time, illuminating, hilarious, and sad. That single change will be very destructive to Eve and it's paid subscriber count for a very long time to come. Of all the changes, this change is the one CCP is going to regret the most. It is just terrible, terrible game design.

Lastly, the insane buffs to destroyers dps in pvp is going to be a long term problem for CCP, because once the issue demonstrates itself, they will entrench and not address it as a problem.

On the whole, though, I am proud of CCP in general, their refocus on FiS, and I hope for more great things in the future.
Vaffel Junior
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2011-11-28 21:02:06 UTC
Give me a poke when my nyx have hes drones back. o/
Mors Sanctitatis
Death of Virtue
#78 - 2011-11-28 21:23:20 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Apocrypha, in my eyes, is EVE's greatest expansion. I shudder to think where the game would be today without it. But like being saved by Spider-Man, everybody gets one; CCP has already stated that they will never again do anything Apocryphaesque.


It's true, we said that. But a lot of things have happened since that was stated. Hilmar's acknowledgement that we were on the wrong path, the restructuring of the company and the new focus on EVE to name a few. Since then we scrambled and in slightly less than two months we made what's probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever, and it's all about spaceships.

I can't and won't promise anything about what we'll do next, but things have changed big time, we have massive momentum behind us, and I for one am genuinely excited about the future of EVE Smile


Bolded the important part.

The fact that in "less than two months" you're created "probably the second largest expansion for EVE ever" makes me absolutely LIVID considering all the time and effort spent over the past three years working on things other than "Ships in Space".

Where would the game be if you had this level of focus and commitment during the past three years? The lack of diligence is CRIMINAL.

Intelligence shouldn't be free.   Mining, reloaded.   ADDICTED.

leich
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#79 - 2011-11-28 21:32:59 UTC
mkint wrote:
Feilamya wrote:
It's a named patch, not an expansion.

Nah there are enough gameplay changes to call it an expansion. It's just the patch parts are pretty good and the expansion parts mostly suck for anyone who's not a ccp rmt friend. If ccp keeps catering to rmt friends at the expense of everyone else then eve won't survive long .


Umad Bro?

This PI Nerf is a PI Buff. It pushes people towards low sec and 0.0 without forcing them. Personaly i dont think the NPC tax is enought but it is a good start.

You can now move your PI Operations to low sec and Pay 0% tax.

People can also attack them so you also get PVP from it. But any 0.0 alliance will do there PI in 0.0 So that means you only have to fight/Avoid Pirates in general. This means low entry levels.

PI Changes are Awsome. More changes like this CCP put the power in the hands of the players.
Krell Kroenen
The Devil's Shadow
#80 - 2011-11-28 21:42:23 UTC
Apocrypha has been my favorite expansion that I have experienced. I don't see Crucible taking it's place. I will confess I look forward to many of it's features, some more than others and others still I could live with out. But I am not feeling the same level of excitement I did for Apocrypha.