Player Features and Ideas Discussion

or make it so boosts cannot be used in a POS like other boosts

I really dont see what difference this is going to make...

There is still little to no reason to ever put this thing in a belt, and im not sure what would be sufficient motivation. Basically all it is besides a massive gang booster is a super expensive Miasmos.

Unless I'm forced to, why would I put a 2 billion isk asset at risk unless I have to? I would think the rorq in the belt would have to make you 100 million / hour more than if it werent in the belt for it to even remotely be worth it.

Thoughts?

if i remeber correct the mining bonuses arent in line with the otheres because ccp thinks the rorqual and orca needs rebalance before that becuase its indeed a suizide button

There is an inherent design difference between the Orca and Rorqual:

Orca is meant to be mobile..... Rorqual is not.


Rorqual has a compressing facility, yes? It's designed to be a deployable refinery, for all intents and purposes.

Orca is meant to be a support platform/mobile refit facility for groups of barges.


If you would like to reduce the links effectiveness to Orca levels outside of transformer mode, this may be a thing. But if you're not willing to give up something for it, then no. These two ships are NOT the same ships, NOT built to be used in the same fashion, and are NOT trying to fill the same role. They cannot be compared.

forcing the rorq out of the pos in it's current state; people will just use orcas instead, the difference in bonuses between the two isn't worth the increased risk. mostly due to how the industrial core works.

moving the link bonuses from the core to the hull; people will just sit it in a pos and nothing changes.

forcing the rorq out of a pos and moving the link bonuses; you're still not going to put a rorq on grid with a big "warp to me" button in the scanner. it'll be put in a safe spot somewhere, aligned to the nearest friendly pos, and as soon as anything gets within sniffing distance of the op, the rorqual will instantly be in warp.

neither of these suggestions, alone, or in combination bring a rorqual on grid. at best, all it does is means some one has to monitor the rorqual to warp it off if hostiles come in meaning instead of being able to go afk and do whatever it is they have to do, they have to sit and waste their time watching a ship that does very little other than cycle some auto repeating modules.

the only way to force a rorqual on grid is to move links on grid - however that's more likely to just put people in orcas, rather than rorquals.
a rorqual only provides ~17% more yield than an orca.
if the rorqual doesn't have to deploy to get it's bonuses then yeah, people might take the risk. however deploying it for a 17% bonus over an orca that can be permanently aligned ready to warp? can't see it, personally.

the very simple fact is that booster pilots often seldom offer 0 reason to be on grid, short of saying "you must be on grid" you will never bring them on grid. i think strongarming them out of poses was the obvious change to back up that statement.
It's pretty much going to be true for as long as boosting links exist.

Anyone else think its silly the rorqual can't move ships around?

mining as a whole needs a overhaul. It is not the most requested thing, but right now i personally think its the largest feature in the game that can be realistically worked on.

-We all want POSs (and all deploy-able structures) updated, but this is old code that needs to be worked on and replaced slowly.
-Sov needs to be "fixed", but how - may be part of the road map for buildable stargates?
-FW is bad but better then before (too much farming is being done)
-WH may have problems, but the amount if isk you can make is retar.ded.
-PVP is getting the rebalancing done and active updates for long term
-Market, some touches here and there but mostly a UI issue - if there is even one