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Cyber Op
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-02-28 08:26:01 UTC
So kinda looking to spice up running missions and looking at possible getting a legion. While I know pulse fits were the thing back then. Would beam legion or beam/drone legion be best now for missions damage projection?

Reason I am looking into this is I can fly one well and moves through rooms and jumping to different systems faster than a BS. Plus I can switch out sub-systems and go exploring ... ect.

Any thoughts mostly curious about the beam/drone build and would anyone have any decent fits that are not stupidly expensive?
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2014-02-28 08:32:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Cyber Op wrote:
So kinda looking to spice up running missions and looking at possible getting a legion. While I know pulse fits were the thing back then. Would beam legion or beam/drone legion be best now for missions damage projection?

Reason I am looking into this is I can fly one well and moves through rooms and jumping to different systems faster than a BS. Plus I can switch out sub-systems and go exploring ... ect.

Any thoughts mostly curious about the beam/drone build and would anyone have any decent fits that are not stupidly expensive?


Right now there's zero reasons to use a Legion for missions.

- they lack range/damage with laser sub
- they lack drones with the laser sub
- drone sub is hilariously terrible
- same for missile sub in pve

Not worth the cost, not worth the effort and compared to other options (Abaddon, Napoc or Ngeddon) terribly inefficient. I highly doubt that your extra reasonings would change that stance, use the right tool for the job etc.
Crevo Helion
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-02-28 15:48:40 UTC
I use a pulse legion for running missions in npc null, but if I were in high sec I'd use a BS or something more efficient. Legion can be fun though, Scorch pops the small stuff at a distance and Conflag works for the BCs and BSs.
Fatimer Lightspeed
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-02-28 15:52:47 UTC
Cyber,

Had the idea myself and had one that I had used as a ratting ship in Null for a while. As Gregor said, currently you cannot have the laser sub and the drone sub combined. They both fall under the offensive subsystem category.

Pulse's are still the way forward on it and using it as a sig tank does work surprisingly well on some L4's! What you have to be really careful of is webbers. The lack of EHP on it due to it only being a cruiser hull soon takes its toll if you cant sig tank against some of the BS's. Take this from personal experience! As you don't have drones, if frigates get in close and you don't have the tracking, good luck!

If you have the money, get one for sure. Missions such as Mining Misappropriation where it's a load of BS's you will rip through, get close, orbit and shoot. For other missions, revert back to the BS and live the easy life.
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-02-28 19:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria Thorne
I ran a pulse Legion in high-sec for a while, just to use something different.

I couldn't really see a beam Legion being of much use, if anything gets close to you to scram & web, you'd be in a world of hurt. With the drone sub, I suppose it would work, but the DPS would be mediocre at best. Much better options out there.

I liked my pulse Legion, it was actually quite fun, though not that efficient.

Edit : If you do go pulse Legion - dual webs or 1 Fed Navy web are a must. (I started dual web, and switched to a Fed Navy & tracking computer w/ tracking script.)
Cyber Op
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-02-28 19:21:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyber Op
Gregor Parud wrote:
Cyber Op wrote:
So kinda looking to spice up running missions and looking at possible getting a legion. While I know pulse fits were the thing back then. Would beam legion or beam/drone legion be best now for missions damage projection?

Reason I am looking into this is I can fly one well and moves through rooms and jumping to different systems faster than a BS. Plus I can switch out sub-systems and go exploring ... ect.

Any thoughts mostly curious about the beam/drone build and would anyone have any decent fits that are not stupidly expensive?


Right now there's zero reasons to use a Legion for missions.

- they lack range/damage with laser sub
- they lack drones with the laser sub
- drone sub is hilariously terrible
- same for missile sub in pve

Not worth the cost, not worth the effort and compared to other options (Abaddon, Napoc or Ngeddon) terribly inefficient. I highly doubt that your extra reasonings would change that stance, use the right tool for the job etc.


Mostly this is while i train up for T2 large guns so I can effectively kill in BS I realize the laser and drone offensive system cant be combined. But you can us drone subsystem stick on as many beams as you can and dump heat sinks in it to help boost personal dmg since you already get a strong drone bonus. Light drones will pop the webbing drones super fast and your beams plus drone should kill anything larger fast enough.

Granted a BS would be faster that not what I am asking about and the cost of a legion isnt so bad now a days.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#7 - 2014-02-28 23:34:12 UTC
You'll have trouble wringing more than 250 laser dps from a Drone sub legion, realistically, and it won't have any range or tracking, it's just not any good. Wait till the T3 rebalance pass happened, check if the laser sub gets a 25m3 drone bay (I'm assuming it will) and then perhaps look at it again. As it stands it's just terrible.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#8 - 2014-03-01 00:54:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Beam/MWD imo.

Edit: actually I didn't put much thought into this post before I made it, looking it up, beam/MWD would probably suffer from low PG issues.

Oh god.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#9 - 2014-03-01 05:00:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
OP, you can definitely make a viable PvE legion, but as others have said it will not be optimal. It will give you the same functionality as a PvE Abso/Sac, while costing more money to field. You can use it for flavor reasons if you like of course.

Regarding fits, here is a cheap example against Angels (a HAM legion can be good against them due to explo damage, good tank and no need for damage projection - they come to you voluntarily). It will give you a 400HP/s perma angel tank, 756DPS of pure explo and a pricetag of 340mil.

[Legion, AA]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
[Empty Rig slot]

Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier


And here is the bling version of the above. It gets the same tank (but with one less slot), does 830DPS cold and will set you back a bil flat rigged.

[Legion, AAB]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Centii A-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Corelum B-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Large Capacitor Battery II
Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II
[Empty Rig slot]

Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Legion Offensive - Assault Optimization
Legion Engineering - Power Core Multiplier