Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Terrible

As if blops don't have enough working against them (we have the fix them threads...won't rehash here) you want them stuck after 1 hop?

They don't get near the range of the jump ships. And the nature of ninjya warfare has jump mobility vital to it. You see...its kind of hard to have the element of surprise when you have several CO's, recons and t3's slow boating via gate jumps escorting the blop(s) as that blop now only has 1 hop a day and needs to use gates to save that 1 hop. As the wise move would be to save it for a gtfo now hop when something has gone bad.

I could give you this scenario as well. Let's say its the first day of your cap pilot career. YOu found a killer deal on a cap...but its far away. So you buy it, jump it...and then go well guess I'll go play minecraft now as I need 1 more jump home and this here cap is stuck. Being a **** I will have your main the cap pilot. Since we want to keep eve "honorable" here I will make even cap alt "cheating" lol. No station in system to dock and JC out, no safe pos to leave the cap and fly a pod home.

What sounds good to you about this? Your aren't power projecting here. You are travel fit and not projecting a damn thing besides max cap recharge rate and jsut want to get home.

Normally not a big fan of one-word posts, but in this case, that one word he uses is apt, pithy erudite, and extremely fitting for the proposed idea: it IS terrible!

There are doods who use Carriers to ferry things (read: ships, entire small gangs) in and out of low-sec and NPC null-sec that rely on making upwards of half a dozen jumps per day, and there's no way to impinge on "sov power projection" in terms of restricting daily allowable jumps without hurting those kinds of doods.

If you want to change "power projection" in true-sec, there must be far better ways. This is a *genuinely* bad idea that cannot [and should not] be well-defended.

I think a trip from outer passage toa near Jita lowsec and back takes 6 jumps round trip. I think that any hamhanded attempt to nerf power projection by grossly decreasing the drive range, or by adding harsh restrictions on lighting cynos or jumps frequencies is inherently terrible because it is increasingly burdensome on those who require long trips between nullsec an high for supplies, and those who live in regions where physical geometry forces an above average number of jumps to go from A to B.

I honestly think that power projection is something you are going to have to learn to live with. I have done over 50 carrier jumps in a day before running carrier chains the previously mentioned 6 jump round trip in rapid succession, and if I were told that it would take me three days per trip in order to join a group on the edges of eve, I would have said "**** that" and looked elsewhere.

Severely limiting the ability of capitals to move around massively hinders them by imposing unrealistic penalties on anyone who has to go afk or leave during a capital op. If I need triple the number of cynos to get home from an op than I do currently, then I will never fly a capital in an op where there is the slightest chance of me needing to leave early, simply because of the amount of extra time it takes to get home.

It also makes events like hotdropping on capitals doing stupid things less likely, simply because you cannot move a force anywhere in a reasonable amount of time.

Honestly not sure what side you are on here.

Lots of arguments say "nerfing power projection decreases large alliance power"

Your statement seem to say that nerfing it would decrease the power of smaller groups (which I agree with)
Care to elaborate a bit?

The obvious starting point should be finding a way to prevent a Cap fleet from being able to show up at any system within 30 minutes regardless of where they start from. Something as simple as a "recast" timer for jumping would suffice. I would lean towards one jump every 20 minutes or so. Issue with that I suppose would be that once you jump into combat you are there for 20 mintues, only way to disengage would regular warp.




Edit: For Titan bridging you can force the titan to jump through at the end of the bridge time. No more risk free bridging.

If you are willing to move your entire fleet across the map for a strat op that's fine. Being able to do that while also simultaneously defending your home system is not.

For the deep null systems they really should buff self sufficiency. Whatever minerals that would take should(at least in some quantity) be available.

That doesn't make sense at all. Null is not only for those that have stations and alliances. Lot's of people daytrip to null. Furthermore changes to null/sov effect those that might want to live there in the future, not just those already there.




Edit: Also power projection directly effect low-sec as well. It is hardly a Null only issue.

While I agree those with little/no experience should yeild to the advice/criticism of those with more, this is harldy a Sov holders only issue. I think anyone/everyone should chime in if they have an idea. Dismissive posts like the one I quoted before this hinder discussion more than streamline it.


Full Disclosure: I live in a null adjacent low-sec system and own/fly caps.

Both Mynnna(Goons) and Manfred Sideous(PL) are pro power projection nerf. I only use there names as a counter to using Grath's and as a means of illustrating that the people that have the power to project also think it is too strong. With CCP more or less tacitly implying that Sov won't be reworked for an extended time waiting til then seems foolish.




Edit: That being said, getting a Sov rework and a projection nerf together would be ideal.