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Arsine Mayhem Doomheim Likes received: 406	#21 - 2014-02-26 15:26:49 UTC 2 Batelle wrote: horribad fit troll (esp judging from responses) You get no further advice from me. Why did you post this in the first place then.


Arsine Mayhem Doomheim Likes received: 406	#22 - 2014-02-26 15:30:31 UTC Klymer wrote: OP's name aside, this has gotta be a troll post. It's only a troll post if people respond in kind.

School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1,332
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 1,332	#23 - 2014-02-26 17:27:11 UTC 1 Batelle wrote: horribad fit troll (esp judging from responses) You get no further advice from me. A troll in these forums?!?!... I'm shocked!

Batelle

Federal Navy Academy

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#24 - 2014-02-26 17:45:59 UTC

Arsine Mayhem wrote:

Klymer wrote:

OP's name aside, this has gotta be a troll post.

It's only a troll post if people respond in kind.

A troll is determined by the quality of the responses rather than the content of the post the person made in the first place? what nonsense.

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#25 - 2014-02-26 18:02:37 UTC

Notorious Fellon wrote:

Gregor Parud wrote:

Looking at the Op's losses I'd say his lack of understanding is genuine, not played.

For missions the following apply;

- fit a propulsion mod, whether that is an AB or MJD depends but generally I'd go for AB
- realistically 1200s perform better than 1400 even though on paper 1400 is king. 1200 have less overkill and more tracking
- don't overtank because it's simply not needed, don't fit faction fetish either. If you have 600-700 tank to that faction you'll be fine.
- tracking = damage, get lots of it

Personal preference, but I can't imagine the need for 600-700 tank for L4 missions. 250 on a MJD sniper fit, 450 on a brawler.

Sleepers are a different story.

Sure, in an ideal world where your SP allows for high applied dps and where you know how to do the missions properly. But this is someone asking for help, probably on low sp and thus lacking dps, messing up the spawns and order of attacks meaning a bit of extra tank is pretty much needed.

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 23
Saab Kado Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 23	#26 - 2014-02-27 13:33:36 UTC TL;DR, get a F**** 800mm AB Machariel

Damien White

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 216

#27 - 2014-02-27 19:23:01 UTC

SomethingIs InMyButt wrote:

Hello all,
I am going to be doing soe level 4 solo missions soon, and i need a fit rating

Here it is:
Maelstrom

1400mm arty II (x8) [Quake L]

Caldari adaptive invuln (x2)
Caldari navy em field (x1)
Caldari navy therm. Field (x1)
Caldari navy boost amplifier
Gistum/pitum X-Type X-large booster

Gyro stab. II(x2)
Tracking enhancer II
Cap power relay II(x2)

Large cap. Controll circuit I
Large memory cell II
Large anchillary power circuit II

Ogre II(x4)

Shield resists

Em:76% Th:81% Kin:75% Ex:79%

Can diflect 1278 dps (sleeper spread) for 16m

Drone dps: 253
Cannon dps: 652
Total: 905

Weakneses:
Slow
Crap stable

Thoughts?

I did put it in EFT format, if you dont mind:

Quote:

[Maelstrom, lolhesaidbutt]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
Caldari Navy Thermic Dissipation Field
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Large Ancillary Current Router I

First of all, you rigs wont work, you have to go for a Tech 1 Ancillary rig.

Anyway, you fit is "not very good", one could joke about it beeing A$$tastic but I think you already realized that. I would rather like to explain to you, why.

First of all it is needlesly expensive because the faction EM and Thermal hardeners dont provide you with any benefit so going here for T2 would be a better option, althoug these hardeners dont cost that much.

Now to the real problems:

1. Cap Power Relay + X-Large Shield Booster

=> Cap Power Relays give you some extremely good caprecharge but they have one flaw. They reduce your shieldboost by 11% each so when you use 2 Cap Power Relays you also loose ~21% of your Shieldboost. Lets throw them out and look at your peak tank. It went up to 2017 against omni damage from previously only 1635.

This is still a lot, actually a Pith Large one would solve this problem but lower your tank to 968 omni

2. 2 Faction Invuls + 2 Hardeners + Shield Boost Amp

=> A 2+2 Hardener setup is used by some players but they have realy low SP and wont be able to fit a propper T2 tank, hence why they need 2+2 hardeners. Since your SP dont seem to be that low I sugest throwing out the 2 Hardeners, resulting in 424 DPS Peaktank against a 50/50 EM/Therm damageprofile and 526 omni.

3. T2 Cap Control Circuit + Memory Cell

=> Here you use 2 rigs for cap management. You could do worse but rig slotts are realy important when it comes to increasing your damage or tank, using them for cap is a waste of potential. Lets just remove them for now.

4. Shield Boost Amplifier

=> This is a heavily situational module. You can use it when you feel your tank may be to weak but I can asure you, you wont need it in the long term. I will remove it for now, droping your tank to still some amazing 1084 omni.

5. T2 Damagemods

=> The Invuls, Shield Boost Amp and Shield Booster cost a fortune, you might already get a Machariel for the money. It is no sin still using the Maelstrom but it is a sin to just use T2 Damagemods instead of faction ones when you put roughly one billion isk in the rest of the ship. So lets switch them to Faction, shall we?

Your fit looks like this right now:

Quote:

[Maelstrom, lolhesaidbutt]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
[empty low slot]
[empty low slot]

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
Large Ancillary Current Router I

Lets fill the empty slotts.

Low Slotts: There are only two real choices here, either go for 2 extra Gyrostabis or one Gyrostabi and one Tracking Enhancer.

Rig Slotts: We can go for Damage, Tracking or Tank, you decide. No cap rigs!

Mid Slotts: Well here it becomes interesting. I personaly would suggest to use a Micro Jump Drive and 2 Tracking Computers, increasing your range and tracking while beeing capable of avoiding any damage whatsoever. A different solution might be to go for an aditional Cap Booster, increasing your tank to where it was before we changed the ship but sacrificing some range.

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Damien White

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#28 - 2014-02-27 19:28:08 UTC

So in the End we end up with 2 possible fitts, one more damage orientet and one with better tank:

1. Damage

Quote:

[Maelstrom, New Setup 1]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L

Large Projectile Burst Aerator II
[empty rig slot]
Large Ancillary Current Router I

712 DPS @ 41+80km
102 / 424 Omni Tank
Jump Capability to 100km

2. Tank

Quote:

[Maelstrom, New Setup 1]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II

Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Large Micro Jump Drive
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster

1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP L

Large Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
Large Core Defense Operational Solidifier II
Large Ancillary Current Router I

669 DPS @ 37+67 km
312 / 643 omni Tank
Jump Capability to 100km

One small rule to keep in mind:

For a L4 Mission ship Damage and tank combined should at least get to 1000 and neither of the two should be below 300,

So 712 DPS and a tank of 424 is enough for any L4 mission, as is 669 + 643.

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SomethingIs InMyButt

Levy Guards

Pandemic Horde

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#29 - 2014-02-27 20:33:13 UTC

Damien White wrote:

SomethingIs InMyButt wrote:

I did put it in EFT format, if you dont mind:

Quote:

Okay, i put away the 1400 mm for the 1200 t2s.
Gives me bonus powergrid. Very nice
What if I fit a large capacitor battery, a tracking computer with a res script and a mjd?
For the lows, the maelstrom can hold 4 large drones, would it be worth my time to put in a few drone upgrades? (Drone tracking upgrade and drone damage upgrade)?

Byt the way i must thank you for responding. I am not trolling, just a noob with no experience.

Damien White

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 216

#30 - 2014-02-27 20:44:11 UTC

Drone Damage mods would not help since you only use drones for fire support against frigates and use your Artillery for long range engagements.

The key to this is the MJD, you are in charge of the engagement and can instantly jump to +100km so no NPC will even hit you (but you will)

As for the Battery, no. A Battery, even a large one, is for Cruisers or smaller. For a Battleship the extra capacitor is useless.

Your Maelstrom has a base Capacitor of 7500
A Large Capacitor Battery provides you with +700 capacitor
Your Caprecharge is 937,5s

leaving a detailed view on you cap recharge aside you get:

(7500 + 700) / 937,5 = 8,7 cap per second back (ignore EFT for the moment

If you go for a Cap Recharger II:

Your Maelstrom has a base Capacitor of 7500
Your Caprecharge is 750s

So you get: 7500 / 750 = 10 cap per second.

It is always better to use Mods that reduce your cap recharge time instead of ones that increase your cap on a Battleship because of the already large Capacitor of these ships.

1400s or 1200s is a matter of point of view. For new players 1200s are a good choice althoug you will make less profit when using faction ammo because you need nearly twice the ammount of ammunition.

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SomethingIs InMyButt Levy Guards Pandemic Horde Likes received: 10	#31 - 2014-02-27 20:47:38 UTC I've heard that the 1200mm have tracking, if i switch to 1200mm will i need a tracking enchancer?

Damien White

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

Likes received: 216

#32 - 2014-02-27 20:51:41 UTC

Yes, they have better tracking than 1400s but still worse tracking than any other Large weapon out there.

To properly use Artillery it is advised to use at least 3 tracking mods. If these are 2 Tracking Enhancer and a tracking computer, one tracking enhancer and two tracking computer or even three tracking computer is up to you, but no less than three tracking mods.

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"DO A BARREL ROLL!"


IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 1,332	#33 - 2014-02-27 20:56:04 UTC 1 A few Drone damage amplifiers are nice but make sure you use the officer ones.T2 just doesn't cut it.


Damien White Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 216	#34 - 2014-02-27 21:10:09 UTC 1 Wow, there realy are some officer drone damage mods O.O Thank you ^^ 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling, "DO A BARREL ROLL!"


Arsine Mayhem Doomheim Likes received: 406	#35 - 2014-02-28 04:17:02 UTC SomethingIs InMyButt wrote: I've heard that the 1200mm have tracking, if i switch to 1200mm will i need a tracking enchancer? You should probably read some of: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=322300&find=unread before you take advise from an idiot. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Maelstrom


SomethingIs InMyButt Levy Guards Pandemic Horde Likes received: 10	#36 - 2014-02-28 16:53:21 UTC Trial and error. Ill get a fit eventually

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