Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That's why I liked it.
Except you're denying mining boosts but waver a lot to do the same to peeveepee boosts.
Now tell me, since mining been a dead business since odyssey (can't resist "Fozzie happens" joke), both in hi and null (and never really lived in low anyway), what makes said "carebears" not forget mining altogether and use the boosts to boost their L4-bearing? If you want to take boosts, take em all or take none - since only noobs who can't run L4 yet mine nowadays, you're ending up hurting them newbies you set on protecting from grief with that, I see a contradiction in terms commonly referred to as hypocrisy.

No they do nto exist because of that. Wardec system exist sicne before you could even put POS in high sec.

War decs exist so peopel can kill each other in high sec.

Mining for profit is pwned, dead, and forgotten. It's the saddest profit even in hisec, losing to missions (starting from L3), exploration, and every non-moronic form of trading.
(EDIT: Not only combat missions, but also hauling mission. And, screwedly enough, it's on par with mining missions.)
The only thing which seriously mines for profit is bot miners.
And I will leak one of my trade secrets here. Mineral prices depend just about 20% on mining amount, and 80% on how much it costs to haul them. The entire mineral price snafu is based on the simple principle of "should I haul or mine" decision. It will take a crap ton of freighters to haul everything miners had stored up from before odyssey. Every time hauling becomes better than mining, people haul, prices close in on each other, profit from hauling drops - people mine again until price spreads back.
So, buffing or nerfing mining links will have delayed, noticeable (albeit barely) impact on the market, but will drive down income of the mining newbies by 50%. Thus I call hypocricy.


Raw mineral generation does not go entirely from mining. Nerfing only mining would just shift the balance, hurt the miners (who already took a whole quiver of Fozzies to their knees in Odyssey), buff the other mineral-providing activities, and do nothing to the market.
In short, you're just hitting the newbies. Thus I call hypocrisy.


People who mine in hisec are:
1) Newbies. Mining has low entry barrier, peeveepee has impregnable entry barrier of tens of millions of SP required to hold your own in a peeveepee ship, easy to tell why they chose mining as a starting profession.
2) Bots. Self-explanatory.
3) Indy alts with no other purpose at the moment. Can't train all indy skills on one account in a lifetime, but unlike other professions, this one can actually be split into specialties. But you don't need those specialized ones 23/7, so when you're on, but with nothing for them to do, why not mine with them... entry is low anyway.
People who do NOT mine:
1) Anyone else, including anyone aimed at profit and many pre-odyssey miners. Since mining profits for perfect miner in a perfect ship on a perfect hisec rock are like 27mil ISK/hour, not including time needed to haul, refine, and sell, which are necessary to claim the "reward" you're speaking about and range from time loss to extra costs, making overall "reward" example of sadness.

You claim those people, who harvest poor reward already, suffer from the imminent downfall on account of suicide gank (or mine in Procurer, which is like losing 40% of 27mil per hour, not including the associated hassles), need any MORE risk they already take? I call hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy when you aren't addressing the point of mineral over-supply and lack of risk. Which wardecs partially solve through embargo and combat.

although basil is outright nuts and ive spent the better part of another thread showing him that defenders do have options and can defend themselves (look at my killboard).

leaving a corp should be a thing. as far as i can tell, the deliberate targeting of players is limited. dec whatever corp they try to join, suicide gank them, bump them, steal their mission objectives and steal loot from their missions. However, be careful that the repeated targeting doesnt become considered harassment.

or maybe thats only for bumping. who knows.

again, and always: you dec the corp, not the player.

This post will be dedicated to the complete and total moron who is Basil.
Let's address a few of his more moronic points and make reasoned refutations, rather than blustering around from one thing to another sounding like my grandmother in the middle of a Valium binge:

-Defenders have no way of fighting back:
Of course they ******* do, wardecs are currently heavily balanced in favour of the defender, he can bring in allies, sure it might cost him some ISK ("ohnoes, spending ISK, I want to hoard all my monies and stay docked all week, dis gaem bes so unfairs") but if he shops around and hires the right mercs for the job (marmite might seem good on paper but with the number of active decs they have they will only pursue targets for a premium; better to go with a smaller, more focused corp). I've been part of wars where the aggressor corp dropped half it's ******* members and started throwing out surrender offers because people joined their wardec as allies. Wardecs are not at all balanced in favour of the person doing the wardeccing, every wardec leaves you exposed to massive retaliation from persons unknown and the only way you will know for sure is by wardeccing that corp. If you're too stupid to have allies, then that does not mean the world is out to get you, it means that you are stupid.

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Re-read the post I made you fool, you need to be rich if you want to suicide gank that one wartarget who dropped corp and isn't flying anything special, not if you want to suicide gank for profit. Stop dropping in HTFU everywhere since you clearly don't understand what it means, not only that, but it's highly ironic that you're doing it in one area while complaining that wardecs should be called 'grief decs' etc.

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We've already covered this, now you are just sounding like a butthurt little bear who got wardecced and lost his (expendable) spaceship (though these ships are never expendable to bears now, are they?) so you're posting about how everything is so unfair in an uncontrolled and unfocused manner (grandmother, valium, etc.) while dropping HTFU in here and there to make yourself look cool or make fun of feyd or some other entirely asinine ****.

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Clearly it isn't, since when killing mining wartargets I've landed on mining ops of 10-20 barges and exumers, with blackbird anti-ganker support and an orca for hauling. Mining is far from dead, considering the organisation and sheer numbers of miners in that belt it is also far from just for newbies. They weren't bots or multiboxers either since I got talking with the miner I killed (unlike most miners he was quite calm about everything, he was taking part in that corp's mining op, he joined them shortly after. The profit from mining only sucks if you suck at mining, you keep making statements that are so untrue that I must assume they are true to you, this is not because EVE is biased against you, it's because you suck at EVE.

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Some of the best fights I've had have come from me deccing corps that were dedicated mining corps. They all hopped into frigates and cruisers and fought very well, getting a couple of kills and avoiding us while on their mining ops for the most part.

Please do respond with some reasoned refutations Basil, I eagerly await them.



Not like that heavily instanced PvE wouldn't appeal to any of the players of EVE, certainly not the ones who shoot red crosses all day then get all hot and bothered when someone comes along to disturb them. I certainly couldn't see them flocking to star citizen. Lots of PvP pilots I've personally nurtured came from those who shot red crosses all day, making it harder to kill these red cross killers makes it harder to show them what EVE can actually be like, meaning they will just run along to SC once it comes along.
We aren't really talking about huge null battles here either, most hisec wars consist of maybe 100 people total, with much less being active, so the scale of hisec wars and PvP in SC would be similar, if somewhat larger in EVE.

Also, could you please enlighten me as to what a gankbear is, it is a term that makes no sense, it's like saying "Ted Bundy was a warm hearted killer". Complete confliction of terms.

Let me wing it...

GankBear - noun: A person in eve who gets a warm hearted, fuzzy, cream your pants style of enjoyment out of killing carebears. These people can be easily recognized by biblical references and the sincere desire to rehabilitate ignorant high sec dwellers and teach them how fun PvP is.
usage: The more you cry the more their capacitor fills. They are often found around high carebear areas of activity such as mining and mission running. Although their chance of success in rehabilitation is slight, their reward is the sandbox style of gameplay that most suits them. Most would argue that they are keeping the CCP HTFU family values alive, while their victims usually just believe that they have been personally attacked by a unstoppable adversary.
Ant: The opposite of carebear.

Have you ever actually taken a POS down? In lowsec, with dreadnaughts in siege mode doing 10k+ DPS it takes hours.
In highsec where there are no dreadnaughts you will need 10-15 DPS fitted range fitted (to hit the tower, which is about 15-30k from the pos bubble) battleships. Since these battleships have to fit for range (no blaster gank megathrons) they either have to sacrifice DPS (meaning you will need 20 BS to be equivalent to 1 dread) or fit no tank at all opting for all damage mods, meaning that, unless they have 3-4 people in logi ships on standby, the POS will kill them in short order.
Taking down a POS in highsec is like destroying the great wall of China with a a hammer and chisel.

Hisec wars have almost always been about killing the members of the target corp and this target corp are already at an advantage with tools such as directional scan and local, a careful and observant bear will be damn difficult to catch if running missions at war. However when you wardec a corp and 90% of it's members leave before the war even goes active, it leaves you feeling sort of cheated, I paid to shoot these people, shouldn't I at least get a refund?

I wonder how many times in how many forms have I tried to explain that...

Tell us, if I wardec you today, what stuff of yours can I "take"?

That's the point, you can evade me extremely easy, you can get all your "stuff" safe, thereby leaving nothing to take. If there is nothing of yours for me to take, what are you motivated to defend?