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The Two and a Half Minutes Hate: Birth of a Ritual
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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#101 - 2014-02-26 23:14:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
My concern is only this, as somebody that also knows about these seeds and trees.

A new tree is most vulnerable to those bigger and more established trees around it. Also it is more vulnerable to the animals that would eat it. What you are talking about, is changing the way the Amarr view their entire theology, this is not an easy task by any means and if those such as Lord Draconis are truly as you say... then they are also the most vulnerable to those that would see this effort squashed to keep things as they are. What is being done to keep the new tree from being infected by it's neighbors?


That may be true, but that is also entirely an Amarrian matter. No outside force will be able to help these trees; in fact, they hinder them. The more wars there are on the borders of the Empire, the more terrorists in its heart, and the more hatred and fear grips the Empire the more they strangle voices for peace and understanding. The only way the Empire will change is while it is at peace, as Heideran's rule thoroughly proved.

Every time a Minmatar fires an autocannon round at an Amarrian ship, they drive a nail into both our coffins.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#102 - 2014-02-27 00:21:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Nauplius
Mekioth Sarum wrote:

"War is not the dreadful end to all things as mankind fears. Conflict brings balance to nature as it adapts, mutates, and transforms itself into something stronger than before. Mankind is the master of nature because we can choose those mutations on our own accord. We can accelerate the inevitable dominance of a species. Through war, we can make ourselves stronger at the time and place of our choosing. War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."


Time was when someone would quote the above and Amarrians on the IGS would rise and applause. Now we hang our heads in shame. What have we become?
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#103 - 2014-02-27 00:26:44 UTC
Those words are exquisitely true, Nauplius, but our divine conflict need not be with the Matari any longer. Not at this time, at least. The most important war to fight right now is with our own ideas and which will be best to lead us into the comming ages. Heideran's legacy must live on.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#104 - 2014-02-27 01:36:43 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Those words are exquisitely true, Nauplius, but our divine conflict need not be with the Matari any longer. Not at this time, at least. The most important war to fight right now is with our own ideas and which will be best to lead us into the comming ages. Heideran's legacy must live on.

A man who stands by his mistakes is proud. A man who acknowledges them is humble. A man who can do both, learning from them, is wise.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#105 - 2014-02-27 06:07:38 UTC
Nauplius wrote:

  • As the emotion reaches its height, lifelike Jovian effigies are tossed into the crowd of slaves to be ripped apart. Should Jove slaves ever become available, these effigies will be replaced with live Jovians, and these shall suffer the same fate as the effigies.
    • Interesting response you are predicting.
    But I don't think you would get it from slaves other, than of minmatar origin.

    Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

    In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
    Eran Mintor
    Metropolis Commercial Consortium
    #106 - 2014-02-27 06:11:28 UTC
    Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:

    My concern is only this, as somebody that also knows about these seeds and trees.

    A new tree is most vulnerable to those bigger and more established trees around it. Also it is more vulnerable to the animals that would eat it. What you are talking about, is changing the way the Amarr view their entire theology, this is not an easy task by any means and if those such as Lord Draconis are truly as you say... then they are also the most vulnerable to those that would see this effort squashed to keep things as they are. What is being done to keep the new tree from being infected by it's neighbors?


    No doubt, those on the fringes of society are most at risk of retaliation and silencing. There can be no guarantee for their safety sadly, and for me to give any would be pointless lying. However, that which is worth fighting for is worth suffering, and even dying for. There are women and men of good character who make these sacrifices despite the risk. The best we can do is support them where possible and let them know they are valued.

    No it's not much, but for some it's more than enough.

    -Eran
    Anyanka Funk
    Doomheim
    #107 - 2014-02-27 08:21:03 UTC
    Katran Luftschreck wrote:
    I am still wondering how such an obvious Blood Raider managed to con his way into the 24th? Roll


    Blood Raider would simply skin the slave, bleed it, set it on fire, and consume the savory body. Thus purifying the miserable soul and getting that much closer in our graces to the Red God
    Stitcher
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #108 - 2014-02-27 14:33:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
    Nauplius wrote:
    Mekioth Sarum wrote:

    "War is not the dreadful end to all things as mankind fears. Conflict brings balance to nature as it adapts, mutates, and transforms itself into something stronger than before. Mankind is the master of nature because we can choose those mutations on our own accord. We can accelerate the inevitable dominance of a species. Through war, we can make ourselves stronger at the time and place of our choosing. War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."


    Time was when someone would quote the above and Amarrians on the IGS would rise and applause. Now we hang our heads in shame. What have we become?


    You've become marginally more sane.

    Note: there is a word in Napanii - "Ukao" - which is a version of "you" that specifically excludes the individual being addressed and refers solely to every other member of that individual's group. I'm aware that all of that word's unique nuance is regularly lost in translation, so I felt it necessary to clarify that it exists, and that I used it in this case.

    AKA Hambone

    Author of The Deathworlders
    Pontianak Sythaeryn
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #109 - 2014-02-27 16:55:48 UTC
    Stitcher wrote:
    Nauplius wrote:
    Mekioth Sarum wrote:

    "War is not the dreadful end to all things as mankind fears. Conflict brings balance to nature as it adapts, mutates, and transforms itself into something stronger than before. Mankind is the master of nature because we can choose those mutations on our own accord. We can accelerate the inevitable dominance of a species. Through war, we can make ourselves stronger at the time and place of our choosing. War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."


    Time was when someone would quote the above and Amarrians on the IGS would rise and applause. Now we hang our heads in shame. What have we become?


    You've become marginally more sane.


    Has he? I think he is commenting on the fact that he is disappointed that the Amarr hold their head in shame now for things that they should be glorifying war for.
    Anabella Rella
    Gradient
    Electus Matari
    #110 - 2014-02-27 16:59:42 UTC
    I continue to hear imperial supporters and apologists tell us to, "wait and be patient; change comes slowly in the empire". I ask them just how long are we supposed to wait? If your kin were kidnapped and being held in harsh bondage how patient would you be? How long would you be willing to wait before attempting to take action to free them? Furthermore, what if the kidnappers stated plainly that they planned to continue their campaign of kidnapping and enslavement until you, your family, everyone you've ever known and all mankind are under their control?

    It's laudable that a very small minority of slavers actually treat their "property" as valuable and do not beat them, fill them with a deadly virus, provide them with food, shelter and attend to their medical needs. However, at the end of the day, these so-called progressives still hold fellow human beings as property, fit to treat as they feel, limiting their inherent freedoms and rights and forcing them to accept a foreign religion and culture.

    I assume we're supposed to be grateful that a few in the empire still have some small bit of human decency, is that it?

    When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
    Stitcher
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #111 - 2014-02-27 17:31:15 UTC
    Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
    Stitcher wrote:
    You've become marginally more sane.


    Has he? I think he is commenting on the fact that he is disappointed that the Amarr hold their head in shame now for things that they should be glorifying war for.


    Please read the rest of what I posted.

    AKA Hambone

    Author of The Deathworlders
    Pontianak Sythaeryn
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #112 - 2014-02-27 17:44:03 UTC
    Stitcher wrote:
    Pontianak Sythaeryn wrote:
    Stitcher wrote:
    You've become marginally more sane.


    Has he? I think he is commenting on the fact that he is disappointed that the Amarr hold their head in shame now for things that they should be glorifying war for.


    Please read the rest of what I posted.


    Oppsies, wasn't that I didn't read it, but had to re-read it to fully grasp it. I R Sm3rt!
    Pieter Tuulinen
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #113 - 2014-02-27 17:56:53 UTC
    Anabella Rella wrote:
    I continue to hear imperial supporters and apologists tell us to, "wait and be patient; change comes slowly in the empire". I ask them just how long are we supposed to wait? If your kin were kidnapped and being held in harsh bondage how patient would you be? How long would you be willing to wait before attempting to take action to free them? Furthermore, what if the kidnappers stated plainly that they planned to continue their campaign of kidnapping and enslavement until you, your family, everyone you've ever known and all mankind are under their control?

    It's laudable that a very small minority of slavers actually treat their "property" as valuable and do not beat them, fill them with a deadly virus, provide them with food, shelter and attend to their medical needs. However, at the end of the day, these so-called progressives still hold fellow human beings as property, fit to treat as they feel, limiting their inherent freedoms and rights and forcing them to accept a foreign religion and culture.

    I assume we're supposed to be grateful that a few in the empire still have some small bit of human decency, is that it?


    Not to detract from the rest of your statement, but I didn't realise you had family in slavery?

    For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
    Valerie Valate
    Church of The Crimson Saviour
    #114 - 2014-02-27 18:40:46 UTC
    As an Amarr lady, I can exclusively reveal, that we are taught how to use our slave-beating sticks at school.

    For the final year exams, you have to demonstrate the correct posture and form for beating a slave to death with the correct sticks. It's a multiple choice exam, there are 4 different sticks to choose, only one of them is the right one. And there are several different ethnicities of slave to beat, you have to demonstrate the correct form for beating all of them.

    It's quite a rigorous and gruelling exam, really.

    Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
    Claudia Osyn
    Non-Hostile Target
    Wild Geese.
    #115 - 2014-02-27 19:34:38 UTC
    Valerie Valate wrote:
    As an Amarr lady, I can exclusively reveal, that we are taught how to use our slave-beating sticks at school.

    For the final year exams, you have to demonstrate the correct posture and form for beating a slave to death with the correct sticks. It's a multiple choice exam, there are 4 different sticks to choose, only one of them is the right one. And there are several different ethnicities of slave to beat, you have to demonstrate the correct form for beating all of them.

    It's quite a rigorous and gruelling exam, really.

    One must observe proper form when beating a helpless person to death, I suppose. It's only respectful to the slave....Straight

    A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
    Vulxanis Viceroy
    Vicarius Vitae
    Khimi Harar
    #116 - 2014-02-27 19:47:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vulxanis Viceroy
    Valerie Valate wrote:
    As an Amarr lady, I can exclusively reveal, that we are taught how to use our slave-beating sticks at school.

    For the final year exams, you have to demonstrate the correct posture and form for beating a slave to death with the correct sticks. It's a multiple choice exam, there are 4 different sticks to choose, only one of them is the right one. And there are several different ethnicities of slave to beat, you have to demonstrate the correct form for beating all of them.

    It's quite a rigorous and gruelling exam, really.


    You and I obviously went to two very different schools, heretic. As an Amarrian Lord, I can advocate that nothing of the kind was taught.

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    Jennifer Maxwell
    Crimson Serpent Syndicate
    #117 - 2014-02-28 04:31:47 UTC
    Stitcher wrote:
    Leopold Caine wrote:
    Don't you have any better role models for this pointless hate-mongering than a long dead and buried civilization?



    Long dead and buried? I saw one teleporting about the place on a live newsfeed a few years back.

    ...Then he exploded, but it was very impressive up to that point, and the detonation itself certainly left an impression too.

    I kind of doubt that an entire civilization has just gone belly-up and died in less than a decade. Especially a civilization whose approach to diplomacy over the last few centuries has largely consisted of silence interspersed with only occasional appearances each of which was an opportunity to showcase their technological superiority.

    Why do people keep insisting that they're extinct? I'm not claiming that they aren't, I just see no evidence to support that particular assertion.

    That people believe the Jove are extinct is laughable. I don't know about the other empires, but there are Jovian corporations operating in Caldari space, freely and plainly. The State herself is on very good terms with the Jove.

    To believe otherwise is just ignorance.
    Stitcher
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #118 - 2014-02-28 09:08:13 UTC
    Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:
    You and I obviously went to two very different schools, heretic. As an Amarrian Lord, I can advocate that nothing of the kind was taught.


    The curriculum on deadpan ironic humour at your school was clearly deficient, also.

    AKA Hambone

    Author of The Deathworlders
    Gosakumori Noh
    Coven of One
    #119 - 2014-02-28 15:28:31 UTC
    Jennifer Maxwell wrote:

    That people believe the Jove are extinct is laughable. I don't know about the other empires, but there are Jovian corporations operating in Caldari space, freely and plainly.


    Androids!
    Ruin Rolmera
    #120 - 2014-02-28 15:44:57 UTC
    Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

    Not to detract from the rest of your statement, but I didn't realise you had family in slavery?


    The word kin does not always mean immediate family. Almost all of us have members of our tribes, sub-tribes, or clans in slavery.