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Tom Strongman
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-23 07:17:46 UTC
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#2 - 2014-02-23 07:26:52 UTC
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Sisters is one of the highest yes, but its not the only one. It is one of the most accessible though.
Gh0stBust3rs
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#3 - 2014-02-23 08:12:49 UTC
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...



Pure min/maxing quite possibly.

Blitzing everything purely based on lp payouts.(1000-2000 isk/lp)
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#4 - 2014-02-23 10:29:59 UTC
Some weeks ago I got 25.000 to 35.000 LP per hour from an SoE agent in a 0.5 system.
At that time the LP was worth ~3000 ISK/lp.

So I got 75 to 105 mil/h from the LP alone.

The LP worth has droped to about 2200 ISK/lp now. You can calculate the rest yourself.

There are other agents that have similar ISK/lp ratio or sometimes more. The nice thing about SoE is you don't need to buy tags and the items sellable :)

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Weed Guy
Space Kush Dispensary
#5 - 2014-02-23 12:33:34 UTC
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Nope, its not true, because people like you keep blabbing about it so ******* much that there are now roughly 150 people at every single mission hub every day, 7 days a week. What used to be a great source of ISK has been ruined by people going "HEY EVERYONE, COME OVER HERE, FLOOD THE MARKET, AND DRIVE PRICES DOWN TO NOTHING! GOOD IDEA!"

It's so overcrowded now that there's no point. Maybe ya'll could shut your damn holes for 2 seconds and then, I dunno, in 6 months it might thin out a bit. Hopefully. Until then, for God's sake DON'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A FINITE RESOURCE, you'd think that'd be OBVIOUS, but no, here we are! Every extra person who goes to the SOE hubs just fucks things up even more by flooding the market and driving buy orders down because the guys putting up the buy orders know that due to the level of traffic people will fill those orders anyways.

You might as well just mine asteroids now. Each time I undock, I do so through a cloud of Golems, Tengu's, Vargurs, et cetera. Once again, thanks for ruining this by being stupid and telling everyone.
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-02-23 13:15:46 UTC
Weed Guy wrote:
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Nope, its not true, because people like you keep blabbing about it so ******* much that there are now roughly 150 people at every single mission hub every day, 7 days a week. What used to be a great source of ISK has been ruined by people going "HEY EVERYONE, COME OVER HERE, FLOOD THE MARKET, AND DRIVE PRICES DOWN TO NOTHING! GOOD IDEA!"

It's so overcrowded now that there's no point. Maybe ya'll could shut your damn holes for 2 seconds and then, I dunno, in 6 months it might thin out a bit. Hopefully. Until then, for God's sake DON'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A FINITE RESOURCE, you'd think that'd be OBVIOUS, but no, here we are! Every extra person who goes to the SOE hubs just fucks things up even more by flooding the market and driving buy orders down because the guys putting up the buy orders know that due to the level of traffic people will fill those orders anyways.

You might as well just mine asteroids now. Each time I undock, I do so through a cloud of Golems, Tengu's, Vargurs, et cetera. Once again, thanks for ruining this by being stupid and telling everyone.


I agree that it's rocket science to figure out that SOE LP is worth some nice iskies, especially after CCP announced and introduced BRANDNEW and shiny SoE Ships.
Blue Absinthe
Wardec U
#7 - 2014-02-23 14:20:38 UTC
Weed Guy wrote:
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Nope, its not true, because people like you keep blabbing about it so ******* much that there are now roughly 150 people at every single mission hub every day, 7 days a week. What used to be a great source of ISK has been ruined by people going "HEY EVERYONE, COME OVER HERE, FLOOD THE MARKET, AND DRIVE PRICES DOWN TO NOTHING! GOOD IDEA!"

It's so overcrowded now that there's no point. Maybe ya'll could shut your damn holes for 2 seconds and then, I dunno, in 6 months it might thin out a bit. Hopefully. Until then, for God's sake DON'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A FINITE RESOURCE, you'd think that'd be OBVIOUS, but no, here we are! Every extra person who goes to the SOE hubs just fucks things up even more by flooding the market and driving buy orders down because the guys putting up the buy orders know that due to the level of traffic people will fill those orders anyways.

You might as well just mine asteroids now. Each time I undock, I do so through a cloud of Golems, Tengu's, Vargurs, et cetera. Once again, thanks for ruining this by being stupid and telling everyone.



Yea these new SOE ships they released are top secret. Shhhhhh, don't tell anyone.....
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-02-23 15:08:51 UTC
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Is this a plot to crash SOE items? Pirate
ExcalibursTemplar
CANZUK
#9 - 2014-02-23 16:19:00 UTC
Weed Guy wrote:
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Nope, its not true, because people like you keep blabbing about it so ******* much that there are now roughly 150 people at every single mission hub every day, 7 days a week. What used to be a great source of ISK has been ruined by people going "HEY EVERYONE, COME OVER HERE, FLOOD THE MARKET, AND DRIVE PRICES DOWN TO NOTHING! GOOD IDEA!"

It's so overcrowded now that there's no point. Maybe ya'll could shut your damn holes for 2 seconds and then, I dunno, in 6 months it might thin out a bit. Hopefully. Until then, for God's sake DON'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A FINITE RESOURCE, you'd think that'd be OBVIOUS, but no, here we are! Every extra person who goes to the SOE hubs just fucks things up even more by flooding the market and driving buy orders down because the guys putting up the buy orders know that due to the level of traffic people will fill those orders anyways.

You might as well just mine asteroids now. Each time I undock, I do so through a cloud of Golems, Tengu's, Vargurs, et cetera. Once again, thanks for ruining this by being stupid and telling everyone.


So i should sit on my 2 million SOE LP then for another 6 months until prices go back up ?
Cypher Decypher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2014-02-23 20:55:23 UTC
It's unlikely that SoE LP will get back to anything like it's post-Stratios value. It was artificially hiked because of the stupid amount of LP CCP decided the Nestor was going to cost in Empire.

What you're seeing now is a gradual settling into a more stable and realistic exchange rate.
Gh0stBust3rs
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#11 - 2014-02-24 03:12:42 UTC
Cypher Decypher wrote:
It's unlikely that SoE LP will get back to anything like it's post-Stratios value. It was artificially hiked because of the stupid amount of LP CCP decided the Nestor was going to cost in Empire.

What you're seeing now is a gradual settling into a more stable and realistic exchange rate.



Basically the initial announcement before any of the SOE ships were released you were looking at 1000-1500 isk/lp.

After the Announcement of the first ships it bumped up to 2000-2500 isk/lp

Basically the Nestor tanked it because it costs to damn much.

Long story short SOE missions have always been good. CCP made them better for a little while.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#12 - 2014-02-24 03:26:35 UTC
Yeah, SOE LP have always been worth crap. Don't run missions for SOE, you're just wasting your time. A bunch of null-bears just don't like paying a decent rate for Sisters scanning gear so they want all the pubbies to swarm the SOE LP store and bring the price of scanning gear down.

Incidentally, the Amarr "Ministry of Assessment" LP store is quite valuable at the moment, mostly because nobody runs missions for them. Just a hint when using that LP store site: skip the high-value single-unit-sales items, they're misleading.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#13 - 2014-02-24 03:41:28 UTC
Cypher Decypher wrote:
It's unlikely that SoE LP will get back to anything like it's post-Stratios value. It was artificially hiked because of the stupid amount of LP CCP decided the Nestor was going to cost in Empire.

What you're seeing now is a gradual settling into a more stable and realistic exchange rate.


I'd suggest that EVE markets tend to react on news of a patch, and price in most of the new price of any changes, in this case Rubicon 1.3 rogue drone nexus chip hand ins for sisters ships, which are supposed to drop as often as gila and rattlesnake bpcs.

For reference as a nullbear farmer I get 2-3 a month of those.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#14 - 2014-02-24 07:16:53 UTC
A large serving of lp farmimg rage with a side order of tinfoil hattery.

this thread is going places.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#15 - 2014-02-24 13:53:27 UTC
Weed Guy wrote:
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Nope, its not true, because people like you keep blabbing about it so ******* much that there are now roughly 150 people at every single mission hub every day, 7 days a week. What used to be a great source of ISK has been ruined by people going "HEY EVERYONE, COME OVER HERE, FLOOD THE MARKET, AND DRIVE PRICES DOWN TO NOTHING! GOOD IDEA!"

It's so overcrowded now that there's no point. Maybe ya'll could shut your damn holes for 2 seconds and then, I dunno, in 6 months it might thin out a bit. Hopefully. Until then, for God's sake DON'T TELL PEOPLE ABOUT A FINITE RESOURCE, you'd think that'd be OBVIOUS, but no, here we are! Every extra person who goes to the SOE hubs just fucks things up even more by flooding the market and driving buy orders down because the guys putting up the buy orders know that due to the level of traffic people will fill those orders anyways.

You might as well just mine asteroids now. Each time I undock, I do so through a cloud of Golems, Tengu's, Vargurs, et cetera. Once again, thanks for ruining this by being stupid and telling everyone.

sorry but this has nithing to do with ppl like him.

just an iq>2 would tell one player that it was a good deal to run SOE for LP thx to the 3 new ships CCP introduced lately, no need to be einstein to see it, just follow the game evolution.

if one thing, ppl waiting for the info to actually run them won't make things worse, because ppl are already running thoses like crazy by then..... they are just late on the thing
seth Hendar
I love you miners
#16 - 2014-02-24 13:55:28 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Cypher Decypher wrote:
It's unlikely that SoE LP will get back to anything like it's post-Stratios value. It was artificially hiked because of the stupid amount of LP CCP decided the Nestor was going to cost in Empire.

What you're seeing now is a gradual settling into a more stable and realistic exchange rate.


I'd suggest that EVE markets tend to react on news of a patch, and price in most of the new price of any changes, in this case Rubicon 1.3 rogue drone nexus chip hand ins for sisters ships, which are supposed to drop as often as gila and rattlesnake bpcs.

For reference as a nullbear farmer I get 2-3 a month of those.

i would assume the drop rate is similar for all pirate bpcs, and in low i do more than 2-3 pirate cruiser BPC / month (no bs in low)
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#17 - 2014-02-24 14:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Tom Strongman wrote:
So every Chinese player I talked to in the past month suggested that Sisters of EVE have a much higher payout than any other faction for missions. Is this true? Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


I can achieve this with one account in hisec, and I am missing level 5 social skills and I'm also terrible at running missions quickly. I do have most relevant ship skills maxed however.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#18 - 2014-02-24 14:24:55 UTC
seth Hendar wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
Cypher Decypher wrote:
It's unlikely that SoE LP will get back to anything like it's post-Stratios value. It was artificially hiked because of the stupid amount of LP CCP decided the Nestor was going to cost in Empire.

What you're seeing now is a gradual settling into a more stable and realistic exchange rate.


I'd suggest that EVE markets tend to react on news of a patch, and price in most of the new price of any changes, in this case Rubicon 1.3 rogue drone nexus chip hand ins for sisters ships, which are supposed to drop as often as gila and rattlesnake bpcs.

For reference as a nullbear farmer I get 2-3 a month of those.

i would assume the drop rate is similar for all pirate bpcs, and in low i do more than 2-3 pirate cruiser BPC / month (no bs in low)


That would be because the ded 5 and ded 6 (some races) are faster to clear than the ded 7 and ded 8, and because its far, far, far faster to pop a ded 5 escalation than it is to pop any escalation in null. I think the one month I particularly tried, I got 4 vigilants.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#19 - 2014-02-24 22:29:20 UTC
Tom Strongman wrote:
Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Here is some of my blitzing record so far:

Mission,System,Reward ISK,Reward LP,Bonus ISK,Accepted,Arrived,Left,Handin,Bounties,Salvage Points,Blitzed,Time,ISK/hr,LP/hr
Gone Berserk,Tvink,1260000,5130,1240000,19:51,,20:02,20:04,5500000,0,Y,13m,"36,923,077","23,677"
Angel Extravaganza,Tvink,2190000,8836,1820000,20:05,20:09,20:48,20:50,19000000,20,N,45m,"42,680,000","11,781"
The Blockade,Lanngisi,1890000,8836,2120000,20:52,20:55,21:08,21:09,6600000,0,Y,17m,"37,447,059","31,186"
Smash The Supplier,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Smuggler Interception,Tvink,1510000,6767,1220000,21:12,21:15,21:32,21:34,7366443,,N,22m,"27,535,754","18,455"
The Assault,Lanngisi,2030000,8836,2010000,21:37,21:40,21:50,21:51,3824813,0,Y,14m,"33,706,341","37,869"
Smash The Supplier,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Attack of The Drones,Tvink,1040000,4729,950000,22:25,22:30,22:38,22:41,2047500,,Y,16m,"15,140,625","17,734"
Pirate Invasion,Lanngisi,1480000,6309,1310000,22:42,22:44,23:05,23:07,9022500,5,N,25m,"33,750,000","15,142"
Surprise Surprise,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Cargo Delivery,Tvink,452000,2388,513000,23:14,23:16,23:17,23:18,0,,Y,4m,"14,475,000","35,820"
Silence The Informant,Traun,1950000,7921,1630000,23:20,23:26,23:51,23:56,5000000,7,,36m,"19,550,000","13,202"
Pot and Kettle,Hjoramold,1120000,5119,1050000,8:06,8:11,8:12,8:15,0,,Y,9m,"14,466,667","34,127"
In the Midst of Deadspace,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Gone Berserk,Nakugard,936000,5130,1030000,22:18,22:20,22:32,22:34,10770000,17,N,16m,"76,447,500","19,238"
Damsel In Distress,Barkrik,1470000,6183,1200000,22:44,,22:53,22:56,,,Y,12m,"13,350,000","30,915"
Pirate Invasion,Lanngisi,1230000,6307,1290000,22:57,23:00,23:13,23:15,9082500,6,N,18m,"47,675,000","21,023"
Silence The Informant,Hjoramold,1890000,7920,1400000,18:20,,18:49,18:53,5477500,8,N,33m,"22,486,364","14,400"
Unauthorized Military Presence,Tvink,1090000,5287,1300000,19:03,19:07,,19:28,1953629,,Y,25m,"10,424,710","12,689"
Smuggler Interception,Barkrik,1730000,6766,1680000,19:38,,19:56,20:00,5226318,,Y,22m,"23,553,595","18,453"
Cargo Delivery,Barkrik,486000,2388,419000,20:17,20:18,20:19,20:20,0,,Y,3m,"18,100,000","47,760"
The Mordus Headhunters,Nakugard,1890000,8836,2130000,20:21,,20:55,20:58,10604500,20,N,37m,"38,310,000","14,329"
The Score,Tvink,1540000,7507,1400000,21:25,21:28,,21:47,5668324,,Y,22m,"23,477,247","20,474"
Smuggler Interception,Barkrik,1290000,6766,1360000,23:12,23:16,,23:34,7347318,,,22m,"27,265,413","18,453"
The Score,Tvink,1360000,7507,1760000,20:33,20:38,,20:57,5769761,,Y,24m,"22,224,403","18,768"
Recon (1 of 3),Lanngisi,1230000,5791,1110000,21:14,21:15,21:16,21:16,0,,Y,2m,"70,200,000","173,730"
Recon (2 of 3),Lanngisi,269000,1506,357000,21:17,21:18,,21:20,0,,Y,3m,"12,520,000","30,120"
Recon (3 of 3),Lanngisi,273000,1079,228000,21:21,,,21:28,,,N,7m,"4,294,286","9,249"
Unauthorised Military Presence,Tvink,1350000,5286,1080000,,,,,,,,0,,


For reference, ISK/hr is calculated as ("salvage points" x 450,000ISK + Reward ISK + Bonus ISK + Bounties) / hours-from-acceptance-to-handin.

These missions were run from Lanngisi. As you can see the highest ISK/hr is from "Cargo Delivery". Maximising ISK/hr is as much about reducing the "hr" as it is about increasing the "ISK". Check the ISK/hr and LP/hr for Recon (1 of 3) in the fourth-last line Lol

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Gh0stBust3rs
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#20 - 2014-02-25 01:12:08 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Tom Strongman wrote:
Some guy told me 80-100m/hour for level 4 missions...


Here is some of my blitzing record so far:

Mission,System,Reward ISK,Reward LP,Bonus ISK,Accepted,Arrived,Left,Handin,Bounties,Salvage Points,Blitzed,Time,ISK/hr,LP/hr
Gone Berserk,Tvink,1260000,5130,1240000,19:51,,20:02,20:04,5500000,0,Y,13m,"36,923,077","23,677"
Angel Extravaganza,Tvink,2190000,8836,1820000,20:05,20:09,20:48,20:50,19000000,20,N,45m,"42,680,000","11,781"
The Blockade,Lanngisi,1890000,8836,2120000,20:52,20:55,21:08,21:09,6600000,0,Y,17m,"37,447,059","31,186"
Smash The Supplier,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Smuggler Interception,Tvink,1510000,6767,1220000,21:12,21:15,21:32,21:34,7366443,,N,22m,"27,535,754","18,455"
The Assault,Lanngisi,2030000,8836,2010000,21:37,21:40,21:50,21:51,3824813,0,Y,14m,"33,706,341","37,869"
Smash The Supplier,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Attack of The Drones,Tvink,1040000,4729,950000,22:25,22:30,22:38,22:41,2047500,,Y,16m,"15,140,625","17,734"
Pirate Invasion,Lanngisi,1480000,6309,1310000,22:42,22:44,23:05,23:07,9022500,5,N,25m,"33,750,000","15,142"
Surprise Surprise,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Cargo Delivery,Tvink,452000,2388,513000,23:14,23:16,23:17,23:18,0,,Y,4m,"14,475,000","35,820"
Silence The Informant,Traun,1950000,7921,1630000,23:20,23:26,23:51,23:56,5000000,7,,36m,"19,550,000","13,202"
Pot and Kettle,Hjoramold,1120000,5119,1050000,8:06,8:11,8:12,8:15,0,,Y,9m,"14,466,667","34,127"
In the Midst of Deadspace,,,,,,,,,,,,0,,
Gone Berserk,Nakugard,936000,5130,1030000,22:18,22:20,22:32,22:34,10770000,17,N,16m,"76,447,500","19,238"
Damsel In Distress,Barkrik,1470000,6183,1200000,22:44,,22:53,22:56,,,Y,12m,"13,350,000","30,915"
Pirate Invasion,Lanngisi,1230000,6307,1290000,22:57,23:00,23:13,23:15,9082500,6,N,18m,"47,675,000","21,023"
Silence The Informant,Hjoramold,1890000,7920,1400000,18:20,,18:49,18:53,5477500,8,N,33m,"22,486,364","14,400"
Unauthorized Military Presence,Tvink,1090000,5287,1300000,19:03,19:07,,19:28,1953629,,Y,25m,"10,424,710","12,689"
Smuggler Interception,Barkrik,1730000,6766,1680000,19:38,,19:56,20:00,5226318,,Y,22m,"23,553,595","18,453"
Cargo Delivery,Barkrik,486000,2388,419000,20:17,20:18,20:19,20:20,0,,Y,3m,"18,100,000","47,760"
The Mordus Headhunters,Nakugard,1890000,8836,2130000,20:21,,20:55,20:58,10604500,20,N,37m,"38,310,000","14,329"
The Score,Tvink,1540000,7507,1400000,21:25,21:28,,21:47,5668324,,Y,22m,"23,477,247","20,474"
Smuggler Interception,Barkrik,1290000,6766,1360000,23:12,23:16,,23:34,7347318,,,22m,"27,265,413","18,453"
The Score,Tvink,1360000,7507,1760000,20:33,20:38,,20:57,5769761,,Y,24m,"22,224,403","18,768"
Recon (1 of 3),Lanngisi,1230000,5791,1110000,21:14,21:15,21:16,21:16,0,,Y,2m,"70,200,000","173,730"
Recon (2 of 3),Lanngisi,269000,1506,357000,21:17,21:18,,21:20,0,,Y,3m,"12,520,000","30,120"
Recon (3 of 3),Lanngisi,273000,1079,228000,21:21,,,21:28,,,N,7m,"4,294,286","9,249"
Unauthorised Military Presence,Tvink,1350000,5286,1080000,,,,,,,,0,,


For reference, ISK/hr is calculated as ("salvage points" x 450,000ISK + Reward ISK + Bonus ISK + Bounties) / hours-from-acceptance-to-handin.

These missions were run from Lanngisi. As you can see the highest ISK/hr is from "Cargo Delivery". Maximising ISK/hr is as much about reducing the "hr" as it is about increasing the "ISK". Check the ISK/hr and LP/hr for Recon (1 of 3) in the fourth-last line Lol


Also factor in that the more people that blitz a said mission lowers the LP payouts. Recon oart 1 has taken a pretty big hit lately.
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