Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I did a quick calculation using the three braincells I have left and worked out that you can travel 1LY in 3.5 hours @ 5au/s - so depending upon how far the systems in eve are away from each other on average, traveling between systems in this way would be 'relatively' quick.

This is an idea I was thinking about for quite a while.

Basically if you've played for a while you would have noticed that there are systems in EVE that are enormous, 200 AU across sometimes and sometimes there are systems that are pretty small. There's one in Venal where all the gates are less than 1 au from each other, another in PB.

From a programming point of view I'm not sure how the developers work system size but I imagine they're all the same size just the objects in them are arranged differently. This likely means that all the systems which are small could be expanded quite easily (an assumption which could be horribly wrong I admit).

Anyway if you look at the pic you can see how I took a small system and made it as big as one of the largest system while leaving the core system entirely intact apart from adding scannable acceration gates which lead into the expanded portion of the system.

All the points of interest can only be reached by acceleration gate, the expanded portion is deadspace (no warp between POI's, no hotdrops) but really the details are not important other than I wanted to demonstrate how much space is likely available, and how existing mechanics already in game could be used to expand space without affecting current space and without having to develop new mechanics.

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Regarding the can't make space too safe argument. I think its a balance between what is desired, on one hand people desire targets, on the other targets do not desire being easy targets. This is why there are not a lot of targets in low sec.

Finding a balance between safety and catching people is difficult. On one hand nobody wants people to be completely safe, however people won't move to low and null without being offered increased safety. In null and low some people find this safety in large alliances, corporations, the people in high likely don't participate in that for various reasons but might be willing to come to low null if safety was increased.

TL;DR You 100% can't catch targets if they refuse to come play because its too dangerous. You're likelihood of catching more targets increases with the number of targets entering your low / null systems. This is true even if safety is increased, as long as numbers increase proportionally. So little harder to catch individuals but more chances can equal greater overall chance.

I have pondered cap ships in DEEEP space and would figure that if's across-the-board nullsec quality in all systems, barring a cap ship in DEEEP space would be arbitrary.

Thus is it were possible to build a ship like that in DEEEP space or get one into it, would it be a game breaker? Would there be no punishment? Is this wrong considering the ban on such ships in highsec stellar space?

So I think a compromise would be to let the cap ships inhabit DEEEP space (though cynos would not be possible anyway) by some means that creative players might come up with, but let them show up on the Deadspace report map the way other deadspace sites show up - such that we could look up on our map and see something like "Unauthorized Capital ship presence" . This would still leave a lot to the players - we just know that the system has it - but where in DEEEP space? If it comes into stellar space it gets Concorded (or moved out to lowsec) . It is floating out there in a Dinsdale cloud where it cannot be scanned down? Is it in a gravity well such that warping to it is not possible (hence the need for light speed modules because such a large ship in such a place would probably take YEARS to get out of if it cannot warp or cyno).

It would also lend to the Rubicon "empires losing their grip" angle since now there are "banned" ships in their space, but even they lack the resources or power to remove them and they lack the ability to carry out any enforcement in DEEEP space as well.

I'm fully aware this mechanics are impossible and would not be implemented, I'm throwing this out to see if someone can fish out some usable idea from the concepts within it.

Warning: Heavy use of the mechanic "I'm just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks" :

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A possible vision of what space might have been like:

Have ALL star systems (at least in the central zone) have Hi Security zones, with a "Low Sec" area skirt, with a "Null Sec" skirt around that, basically 3 circles, each circle within the other circle.

As far as Stargates, there would be the standard Stargates going hisec to hisec, fully maintained, and patrolled by navy, then gates existing in lowsec that had either being abandoned - hence why sec status in those zones dropped - or even some that are in flux as far as being working or down, maybe also having people fighting over them (damage / repair) and some gates floating in null, maybe drifting in large orbits, mening they have to be probed everytime they need to be used, or need the ships using them to have a module on board to RR power to one before firing it up.

Since the systems now are much larger internally, Accelleration gates - or/and advanced version of those - could be used as temporary and one way Stargates to flick around the outer areas of the systems where DeadSpace disallows or interferes with standard jump drives. Some ships could still have powerful enough tech to navigate these zones, ie, some exploration hulls might be able to do it because of custom subsystem (I mean, we already have subsystems to ignore bubbles, so ...)

In the Lowsec ring , CONCORD won't go. They however flag players based on ships sensor transmissions. In the Nullsec ring they lack even that.

Players travelling in Hisec and using it's Stargates have to put up with Gates queues due to congested lanes, Toll fees for jumping through gates and other various things, so Freighters would have much higher transit times, although hisec would be safer to compensate, although they could just jump out to low/null rings with escorts and move around from there.

I have other silly ideas, but these are the less crazy ones, based on a concept of DEEP space.

The only one that would be really usable if CCP made DEEP space tomorrow, would be the idea of really old gates existing there or floating unanchored in space id say, maybe even gates left by the Jovians, or being constructed by rogue drones.

What's interesting about our Solar System is that there are planetoids out there. I think even Pluto got downgraded - or there was a huge brawl amongst the astronomers over it (telescopes were flying or something) remaining a planet or not.


It's more common than we could expect.

One time bump to fix forum.

I'm guessing that CONCORD would control a system within it's heliosphere since they have to draw the line somewhere, anything outside the heliosphere is Interstellar space and probably therefore not within CONCORD remit (and any attack by concord would be tantamount to unwarranted aggression and they would have to self-destruct in punishment :) ). It would be here that capitals atc could lurk, outside of controlled space but still near enough to be scanned/hunted/moved from system to system via cyno's etc

Problem with this is would this provide a way for people to haul huge amounts of stuff and circumvent using gates in hisec? Simply use large freighters to haul lots out to the capital, load it up in deep space then jump through to rendevous point and repeat in reverse.

Not sure if this would be a good or a bad thing.

Well, since apparently 1 light-year = 63241.077 AU's, and the fastest we can travel is like 13 AU, it would take about 1 hour 20 minutes to fly 1 LY in an Interceptor.

Apparently all Freighters fly at 1.37 AU, so 1 LY would take 13 Hours to do. Even systems next to each other are between 0.5 LY to 1 LY ...

I say let them have it :)

Assuming the maths is right then it should be simple enough for pathfinder inty's to go create out-of-system drop points. Of course these should still be scannable with probes so using interstellar space would effectively be nullsec in terms of player interactions. We should even be able to 'anchor' POS's there, albeit with thruster modules to keep position relative to the host system (practically surfing the heliosphere).

I like the idea that finding someone in a safe spot or locating a hidden base is not the fact that a wide scans reveals 100 locations and that you guess which one has something interesting, but that in order to find stuff you have to throw probe drag-nets out and see if the the probes get any bites or just eat vacuum.