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Why are many people on these forums so negative, and so hostile?

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-02-24 03:08:38 UTC
well I meant to click edit and quoted myself
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2014-02-24 03:12:56 UTC
Victor Andall wrote:
BECAUSE YOUR FACE!

I often wonder the same thing. It's probably a result of the HTFU attitude predominant in EVE. You spend so much time being hostile, preachy or distrustful in game that it carries over to the forums.


i agree. Sins there are games like MOBA aka LoL/dota 2/Smite and more the are ridicules offense communities in that kind f game some of them take it with them in other games.... like eve Sad
Sylveria Relden
#43 - 2014-02-24 03:24:10 UTC
They weren't held enough as children? Who knows?

Haters are gonna hate- easier to destroy than it is to create.

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-02-24 03:32:02 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
People like to pretend that when they sit on a computer the actions they perform aren't them performing those actions. Like some magical wall forms seperating themselves from the things they do.

It's a delusional thought process, to cause actions and believe you're not affected by the reaction.

It's wrong, but whatever, they don't care about right and wrong, they only care about immediate self gratification.

If you can pretend to be a monster, you are one.


You know, you come across as exactly the kind of person the OP is on about. Negative and hostile to the bone.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#45 - 2014-02-24 03:32:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Ai Shun wrote:
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I've posted on these forums a few times over the years, and I've never encountered anything but hostility, negativity, insults, etc. What the fk is up with this? I've been vocal in many gaming communities, but have never have I felt so hated as I do on these forums.


Amusingly, you revert to profanity in asking your question about why the forum is a hostile, negative place filled with insults.


I didn't direct my profanity at anyone in particular, or even at you. I have not been hostile, or hypocritical. I have to say that there is difference between expressing frustration, and belittling or slandering someone, or in my case, following someone through all their posts and talking ****, as one person has done today.

Keep it up, +1

Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#46 - 2014-02-24 03:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Sylveria Relden wrote:
They weren't held enough as children? Who knows?

Haters are gonna hate- easier to destroy than it is to create.


I agree. It seems like some of the 'offenders' have just perfected the art of shooting down other people's ideas. They offer nothing themselves in terms of new topics or ideas.

Anyhow. Rather than QQ any more than I already have, I will just try to get with the program and ignore them, or try and take actual criticism if there is any to be had.
Sad

Keep it up, +1

Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#47 - 2014-02-24 03:40:41 UTC
How many forums have you posted this on. Like every MMO forum?
Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-02-24 03:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Anhenka
I think a lot of the perceived hostility depends on how well you follow the expectations of the forum and it's subsections.

OP would probably consider me an angry, hostile person, on the basis of how I have responded to all of his Features & Ideas threads. I personally don't consider myself hostile, I am quite a friendly person in game, in person, and on coms.

But when you place an idea onto a public forum dedicated to discussion, peer review, and finding everything possible that is wrong with a proposed idea in order to refine it to a workable state, then repeatedly posting rant threads about how something needs to change because you don't like it, or because you think it's OP, you will get you nothing but the unending scorn and ridicule of the community.

Because that's how we weed the workable and potentially usable ideas from the awful, ranting, only my idea is the right one threads.



As for the rest of you who encounter hostility outside the F & I subsection, yeah, sorry, the eve playerbase are a wee bit assholish.
Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#49 - 2014-02-24 03:45:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Nexus Day wrote:
How many forums have you posted this on. Like every MMO forum?


No...
In other MMOs people are pretty upfront when they disagree with you. They either say that your idea is stupid, or that you are stupid, or something like that. Here people say stuff like

"Look I too can spout bullshit. Are you not getting tired of me shooting down all the terrible ideas you keep spewing out?",

from the guy who went to every single post I made today to tell me how **** I am. When people go for it here, they really go for it, vendetta style. It has been bewildering, and that's why i made this thread.

Of course I can give what I get. Its not like I havent played MMOs before, I can hurt feelings too if thats the game we're gonna play. Time will tell if that's what happens. The replies to this thread however make me optimistic that that wont be the case.

Keep it up, +1

Ai Shun
#50 - 2014-02-24 04:04:06 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I didn't direct my profanity at anyone in particular, or even at you. I have not been hostile, or hypocritical. I have to say that there is difference between expressing frustration, and belittling or slandering someone, or in my case, following someone through all their posts and talking ****, as one person has done today.


Sure, hence the amusement at it. I think if you're talking about a forum filled with happy thoughts and people engaging in civil conversation, dropping a small f-bomb in the middle of it probably doesn't contribute much to that land of ponies and unicorns and rainbows, but given what you say you've experience that is an understandable response. I'd have probably responded with a great deal more. Anyway, thanks for giving me the chance to smile at some of the random inanity on the internet today.

You can click where a players' name is underneath their portrait. That takes you to a drop down menu that allows you to hide posts. That way you can hide the posts of the person that was following you around and harassing you. Before doing that though, click the flag next to one of their posts and report the post if you believe it was OTT. (Keeping in mind that discourse here is ... a little more ... robust ... than in other forums)
Chihiro Chugakusei
Fortune Hunters - Navy Operations
#51 - 2014-02-24 04:08:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Chihiro Chugakusei
Ai Shun wrote:
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I didn't direct my profanity at anyone in particular, or even at you. I have not been hostile, or hypocritical. I have to say that there is difference between expressing frustration, and belittling or slandering someone, or in my case, following someone through all their posts and talking ****, as one person has done today.


Sure, hence the amusement at it. I think if you're talking about a forum filled with happy thoughts and people engaging in civil conversation, dropping a small f-bomb in the middle of it probably doesn't contribute much to that land of ponies and unicorns and rainbows, but given what you say you've experience that is an understandable response. I'd have probably responded with a great deal more. Anyway, thanks for giving me the chance to smile at some of the random inanity on the internet today.

You can click where a players' name is underneath their portrait. That takes you to a drop down menu that allows you to hide posts. That way you can hide the posts of the person that was following you around and harassing you. Before doing that though, click the flag next to one of their posts and report the post if you believe it was OTT. (Keeping in mind that discourse here is ... a little more ... robust ... than in other forums)


Cool, thank you very much. I will do this.

Keep it up, +1

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#52 - 2014-02-24 05:24:11 UTC
To the original post:

Sometimes it's more fun to be naughty than nice

If only I could convince my wife of that.
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-02-24 07:00:07 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I've posted on these forums a few times over the years, and I've never encountered anything but hostility, negativity, insults, etc. What the fk is up with this? I've been vocal in many gaming communities, but have never have I felt so hated as I do on these forums.


Eve is a very good approximation of real life. Without the ability to actually buy anything nice you would buy in real life if you got rich. So people get bitter over the time..

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Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-02-24 07:10:50 UTC
The forum is also highly negative in response to negativity.

Yes the entire F&I forum (including myself heavily) jumped on the OP's ass and drowned his ideas in a storm of negativity and angry comments.

That being said, the exact same thing happens to each and every person who presents ideas without reasoning and with grand "Of course I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is bad" statements, refuses to listen to any feedback, insists on game changes without evidence or support, and insists that anyone with differing opinions is "Just making excuses" for things he thinks are overpowered. Not to mention starting rant threads on topics and then preemptively calling anyone who disagrees with him terrible in the original post.

What he got in community hate and flaming, he had coming.
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-02-24 07:35:24 UTC
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I've posted on these forums a few times over the years, and I've never encountered anything but hostility, negativity, insults, etc. What the fk is up with this? I've been vocal in many gaming communities, but have never have I felt so hated as I do on these forums.


While I agree with you that its wierd people are so negative all the time, I disagree with it being bad in EVE compared to other games. What I saw back when playing Starwars Galaxies was 10 times worse than this. EVE is actually pretty good compared to the WOW and LOL forums. Glad im play neither of the games, because its amazing how many ways people there invent new sentences with the one goal of hating and flaming.
Cassia Aetius
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2014-02-24 08:00:59 UTC
Well, at least here you'll be trolled or ridiculed by someone smart enough to form a sentence.



In League of Legends it would look something like this, "omfg u fgt go **** uyo mom **** ass n***** get cancer!!!!!!!!!".
Josef Djugashvilis
#57 - 2014-02-24 08:15:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Malcanis wrote:
Chihiro Chugakusei wrote:
I've posted on these forums a few times over the years, and I've never encountered anything but hostility, negativity, insults, etc. What the fk is up with this? I've been vocal in many gaming communities, but have never have I felt so hated as I do on these forums.


Sometimes people here can be nice. But my experience is that negativity begets negativity.


This is true for me.

I voted for Malcanis, little realizing that he would use his year on the CSM as a platform to spam the forums with negative, tough guy comments.

As a result, I wish him nothing but misfortune in the game.

At least I do on the odd occasion that I notice him in the forums nowadays.

This is not a signature.

Salvos Rhoska
#58 - 2014-02-24 08:28:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Most people like to think of themselves as "good" people.
Unfortunately, few of them actually are.

Prisons are full of people who still think they are "nice and good people".

Also, politeness=/=niceness. In no way shape or form.

The internet has gone a long way to show what true human nature is like.
Probably most people reading this, think of themselves as "nice and good", as if it was some automatic granted thing, whereas actually they are probably harming and restricting people in their daily lives all the time.

People have wonderful ways of self-rationalising their destructive behavior towards others, and still maintaining the self-serving ego impression that "I'm a good person".
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-02-24 10:05:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Probably most people reading this, think of themselves as "nice and good", as if it was some automatic granted thing, whereas actually they are probably harming and restricting people in their daily lives all the time.


Citation needed. Also, relevance to the topic. Because whether or not someone is a good person is irrelevant to their hostility or politeness on the internet. You said it yourself, politeness =/= niceness. What you left out is that the reverse applies also, hostility =/= badness.

I tend to find, though, that it is the cynics and pessimists, people who are essentially born haters, who expect everyone else to be bad people from the word go. This is natural human projection, of course, and it occurs all the time. Personally, I expect most people are good, based entirely on evolutionary imperative and considering that the human race still exists at all, such a thing requires members of that race to be good to one another for the majority. So your claim that most people are harmful to those around them doesn't stack up against the evidence to the contrary, and seems to me to be more an attitude of cynicism.

Hostility isn't bred of badness anymore than politeness is bred of goodness. That comes down entirely to attitude and respect.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Zifrian
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-02-24 10:50:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
Because it's easy to be negative and non-constructive. Much easier to tear apart someone else's idea than defend your own. This isn't localized to these forums though. Look at the whole cable "news" thing. The quote in my signature sums it up pretty well.

But in general, if they have nothing to offer then there is no reason to pay attention to or respond to them. Block and ignore are wonderful things on the internet.

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