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45thtiger 0109
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#201 - 2014-02-23 23:48:19 UTC
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:
Hey guys,

most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.

This makes the Jita gate more dangerous than a lowsec gate to die on, while you should be on the safest part beeing in 1.0 space.

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)

I'm talking about Blockade Runners, Covert Ops, T3's.



You might not to be able to get into Jita'h as the goons wants to Burn Jita'h 3 because of a silly name change from Jita to Jita'h.

So there might not be a quite period at all when they are camping Jita'h 4-4 full time until there demands are met.

And that could go for all of the trade hubs.

That's Goons coming to a trade hub near you LolP

**You Have to take the good with the bad and the bad with the good.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#202 - 2014-02-23 23:49:59 UTC
What would be really amusing is if a ganker corp were actually big enough to close the gate themselves by having a few hundred players jump to Jita based jump clones.

- scouts reveal big ISK blinged up ship or freighter approaches Jita
- 200 people jump clone in and close gate
- 'nado away
- profit


Needless to say any bluesec alliance could close Jita anytime they wanted just by having enough alts base jump clones there :D
Billy Sastard
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#203 - 2014-02-24 00:16:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Billy Sastard wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.

+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.

gankers can go **** themselves.



Too bad this briliant plan will never go into action, because those gankers you would have **** themselves just happen to include the people who run this game...

It amazes me how many people do not realize that the biggest troll and scammer of eve is CCP themeselves. CCP calls it emergent gameplay, and sitting around on a locked gate facilitates a situation where one invites others to emerge their gameplay upon yours.


Tell me, what is so hard with fitting a tank to your ship and not stuffing billions in the hold?



Nothing about this is hard at all. In case it is hard to tell by my previous post, I am quite happy with the situation as it currently exists. I guess I just fail at sarcasm on the interwebs.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#204 - 2014-02-24 00:17:39 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
What would be really amusing is if a ganker corp were actually big enough to close the gate themselves by having a few hundred players jump to Jita based jump clones.

- scouts reveal big ISK blinged up ship or freighter approaches Jita
- 200 people jump clone in and close gate
- 'nado away
- profit


Needless to say any bluesec alliance could close Jita anytime they wanted just by having enough alts base jump clones there :D


Highsec scrubs lockdown jita for us.

I see nobody has yet to address the point that its very very easy to avoid being ganked even while sitting on a closed gate.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#205 - 2014-02-24 00:23:59 UTC
Yosef Brinalle wrote:
It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report.
Have you tried getting one, or have you just been flying around expecting to be spoon-fed with it?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#206 - 2014-02-24 00:27:31 UTC
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I sense autopilot was involved, somehow.


Nope, no autopilot was involved, it was all done manual. I was hauling some too expensive stuff to autopilot, and I came from WHspace


It's hard to lose a pod in HighSec especially when you're not auto-piloting AFK.

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Oblivion King
Doomheim
#207 - 2014-02-24 00:44:29 UTC
People would rather CCP fix the game than they go to another trade hub and start selling buying **** there

NEWSFLASH: that's how jita got popular mabye if most of you stopped complaining and started going to other trade hubs then those will be more popular???? "Oh but I can't do it alone" well you can ******* start!!

it;s like everyone forgets how things come to be, they didn't magically appear!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2014-02-24 00:45:23 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I sense autopilot was involved, somehow.


Nope, no autopilot was involved, it was all done manual. I was hauling some too expensive stuff to autopilot, and I came from WHspace


It's hard to lose a pod in HighSec especially when you're not auto-piloting AFK.


generally if you do, lag was involved
Oblivion King
Doomheim
#209 - 2014-02-24 00:46:20 UTC
Does anyone else think its ridiculous how this thread even got to 11 pages???
Ai Shun
#210 - 2014-02-24 00:57:49 UTC
Yosef Brinalle wrote:
It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report. Awesome design yeah? If RL was as f'd up as EVE we would be living in the 1700's still.


Oh dear. I think you broke several rules of the internet by attempting a RL analogy. Be you a denizen of the United States of America or not, one would expect that you have some general knowledge about the world and events within it. Given that you are aware of devices such as radio, internet and have a seemingly more than cursory interest in ski reports I'm going to take a stab and guess that you're at least moderately connected to the world and know something about it. So, either you're from the United States and would know about Black Friday or you're from Europe and frequently laugh at the "Americans" for their fun on Black Friday...

Now, with all that pre-amble.

Would you expect a Walmart to be busy on Black Friday?

(Not being from the United States, I hope I've picked the day correctly. To the best of my awareness Black Friday is the day when some people queue up outside stores for hours on end in darkness, waiting to rush in, crush others and get a 20% discount of some mindless consumer product they do not require)

If you answered yes, then you know what to expect over a weekend with Jita and can plan your life, much like having had a report of snow and having to work around that, accordingly.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#211 - 2014-02-24 01:45:12 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Yosef Brinalle wrote:
It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report. Awesome design yeah? If RL was as f'd up as EVE we would be living in the 1700's still.


Oh dear. I think you broke several rules of the internet by attempting a RL analogy. Be you a denizen of the United States of America or not, one would expect that you have some general knowledge about the world and events within it. Given that you are aware of devices such as radio, internet and have a seemingly more than cursory interest in ski reports I'm going to take a stab and guess that you're at least moderately connected to the world and know something about it. So, either you're from the United States and would know about Black Friday or you're from Europe and frequently laugh at the "Americans" for their fun on Black Friday...

Now, with all that pre-amble.

Would you expect a Walmart to be busy on Black Friday?

(Not being from the United States, I hope I've picked the day correctly. To the best of my awareness Black Friday is the day when some people queue up outside stores for hours on end in darkness, waiting to rush in, crush others and get a 20% discount of some mindless consumer product they do not require)

If you answered yes, then you know what to expect over a weekend with Jita and can plan your life, much like having had a report of snow and having to work around that, accordingly.


You are correct. Black Friday is the Friday after Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is on the 4th Thursday of November. Black Friday is when the Christmas shopping season begins. And despite the preamble of the dangers of RL analogies, this is not without relevance.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#212 - 2014-02-24 01:51:52 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Yosef Brinalle wrote:
It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report. Awesome design yeah? If RL was as f'd up as EVE we would be living in the 1700's still.


Oh dear. I think you broke several rules of the internet by attempting a RL analogy. Be you a denizen of the United States of America or not, one would expect that you have some general knowledge about the world and events within it. Given that you are aware of devices such as radio, internet and have a seemingly more than cursory interest in ski reports I'm going to take a stab and guess that you're at least moderately connected to the world and know something about it. So, either you're from the United States and would know about Black Friday or you're from Europe and frequently laugh at the "Americans" for their fun on Black Friday...

Now, with all that pre-amble.

Would you expect a Walmart to be busy on Black Friday?

(Not being from the United States, I hope I've picked the day correctly. To the best of my awareness Black Friday is the day when some people queue up outside stores for hours on end in darkness, waiting to rush in, crush others and get a 20% discount of some mindless consumer product they do not require)

If you answered yes, then you know what to expect over a weekend with Jita and can plan your life, much like having had a report of snow and having to work around that, accordingly.


You are correct. Black Friday is the Friday after Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is on the 4th Thursday of November. Black Friday is when the Christmas shopping season begins. And despite the preamble of the dangers of RL analogies, this is not without relevance.


They are trying to import black friday to the uk and to be frank we dont want that zombie like rampage anywhere near our shores.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#213 - 2014-02-24 01:56:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
Yosef Brinalle wrote:
It's an awesome world we live in IRL. I can listen to the radio or check the internet and get ski reports, mountain pass reports, and all kinds of traffic reports from many places in the world. Then I get on a computerised MMO and can not get a simple 'Jita gates open/closed' report. Awesome design yeah? If RL was as f'd up as EVE we would be living in the 1700's still.


Oh dear. I think you broke several rules of the internet by attempting a RL analogy. Be you a denizen of the United States of America or not, one would expect that you have some general knowledge about the world and events within it. Given that you are aware of devices such as radio, internet and have a seemingly more than cursory interest in ski reports I'm going to take a stab and guess that you're at least moderately connected to the world and know something about it. So, either you're from the United States and would know about Black Friday or you're from Europe and frequently laugh at the "Americans" for their fun on Black Friday...

Now, with all that pre-amble.

Would you expect a Walmart to be busy on Black Friday?

(Not being from the United States, I hope I've picked the day correctly. To the best of my awareness Black Friday is the day when some people queue up outside stores for hours on end in darkness, waiting to rush in, crush others and get a 20% discount of some mindless consumer product they do not require)

If you answered yes, then you know what to expect over a weekend with Jita and can plan your life, much like having had a report of snow and having to work around that, accordingly.


You are correct. Black Friday is the Friday after Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving is on the 4th Thursday of November. Black Friday is when the Christmas shopping season begins. And despite the preamble of the dangers of RL analogies, this is not without relevance.


They are trying to import black friday to the uk and to be frank we dont want that zombie like rampage anywhere near our shores.


WalMart is full of wholly stupid people as it is. Black Friday just packs the place full of wholly stupid people. It's a god damn nightmare. Never shop at WalMart on Black Friday. Never shop on Black Friday. Rampant consumerism just makes people stupid.

Much like the weekends in Jita.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#214 - 2014-02-24 02:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Billy Sastard wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
OP is right, closed gates are a broken game mechanic.

+1 to making ships invulnerable while they sit in a queue after having clicked the jump button.

gankers can go **** themselves.



Too bad this briliant plan will never go into action, because those gankers you would have **** themselves just happen to include the people who run this game...

It amazes me how many people do not realize that the biggest troll and scammer of eve is CCP themeselves. CCP calls it emergent gameplay, and sitting around on a locked gate facilitates a situation where one invites others to emerge their gameplay upon yours.


Jita has 6 gates and a superhighway ring road between all of the 6 gate systems (its broken only in 1 place).

I would suggest that if you have gankworthy contents in your ship, if you would like to reduce the probability that you get ganked on the gate, that you sail on past perimeter and use a different gate - one perhaps that you may have you know warped to 1000 and had a d-scan look at first - in fact you could sit out at 1000 and wait for it to show clear signs of cycling before you approached.

you know, all of the things a wartarget like me might do to get into jita without getting marmite on my clothes.
SpoonRECKLESS
Beach Boys
The Minions.
#215 - 2014-02-24 02:21:20 UTC
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:
Hey guys,

most of us know, and don't forget, that Jita gets full from time to time. The gates close then sitting alot of big expensive ships with a more expensive load sitting duck.

This makes the Jita gate more dangerous than a lowsec gate to die on, while you should be on the safest part beeing in 1.0 space.

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button? That way the ships made for surviving null/lowsec can also survive highsec. (if not autopilotted, duh!)

I'm talking about Blockade Runners, Covert Ops, T3's.



What did you lose?

Blue
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2014-02-24 03:59:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
clicked jump on the jita gate.
didn't jump me in to jita.
Working as intended.

looks like standard description of a bug for me

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#217 - 2014-02-24 04:02:24 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button?


That's cool.

It makes me think that it would be a better idea to go dock up somewhere nearby and wait until off-peak hours to get into Jita.

Great advice. Unless you have a job. And maybe a life.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#218 - 2014-02-24 04:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
March rabbit wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
clicked jump on the jita gate.
didn't jump me in to jita.
Working as intended.

looks like standard description of a bug for me


The cap is there for a reason and not an unintended accident. Its not a bug.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#219 - 2014-02-24 04:42:32 UTC
Nexus Day wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
drummendejef maaktnietuit wrote:

This makes me wonder, shouldn't it be a good idea to make a player invulnerable when he presses the "take gate" button?


That's cool.

It makes me think that it would be a better idea to go dock up somewhere nearby and wait until off-peak hours to get into Jita.

Great advice. Unless you have a job. And maybe a life.


For today according to dotlan.

peak ship kills in perimeter per hour = 40
peak ship kills in maurasi per hour = 5
peak ship kills in Niyabainen per hour = 11
peak ship kills in Muvolailen per hour = 4

mileage may vary of course, but plainly 2 of those systems are pretty close to highsec "background noise" for kills, and even if you intend on doing it the dumb way - by showing up at the gate and getting rejected, you are plainly more likely to have the time to warp off.

You can further lower your chances by having midpoint safes beween the ring-road gates, so that you don't visibly align towards a jita gate, which means if you have someone personally following you in a cloaker, they can't observe your alignment to the jita gate. IMO actual positioning of a ganksquad outside of perimeter wouldn't be that expected, which would bring it down to the subset of gankers who personally followed you, had their ganksquad really close and boxed you with 2 scouts, which if you had an inkling was happening, you could overshoot your intended gate by 1, and then double back.

As always EVE does in fact have a myriad of useful survival tools - they are usually suffiicient that I can deal with highsec as not merely a ganktarget, but as a wartarget.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#220 - 2014-02-24 05:01:47 UTC
Freighter gate camp too stronk!!!