EVE General Discussion

few hours ago (when Jita was 'closed') i bought 3 ships in Jita and courier-ed it to Perimeter in 10 minutes. Paid 1 million ISK.

then i found some expensive ship in a wreck and courier-ed it into Jita. After 8 minutes my ship was in Jita. I paid 2 million ISK (for delivering a ship worth 220million).

So nope: people can get stuff in to/out of Jita.

I hope it gives all systems a bit of help. There is a lot of opportunity for the aspiring trader/industrialist to really cash in here. Whether it be in The Forge or Sinq Laison or Domain or Heimatar. Seriously, Lonetrek is a single jump from Jita and New Caldari. With the limited supplies they have there, a person could easily manipulate and profit from an otherwise underutilized market.

ED: I have also noticed that there are shorter queues on the ME Research slots and no queues on the PE research slots in most of the NPC stations in Lonetrek, But like this fiasco in Jita, no one leaves The Forge to find alternatives to their ailments. They just keep queuing up jobs in over-utilized stations in The Forge. It's madness!

No one else is paying any attention. They're all too busy thinking up new and interesting ways for the game and it's designers to do the work for them.

Nevertheless, I submit myself to and will abide by the judgement of the State.

Couldn't agree more. Dodixie is right next to Everyshore which has a very underutilized market. Was in a corp parked in Junsoraert and we produced Rifters, mods, and ammo for two corps that were constantly shooting at each other there and in Jurlesel. We made a great profit from those guys. A lot more than we would have made schlepping all that crap to Dodixie or Oursalaert (which used to be a decent hub but appears to have all but fallen off the map).

To my mind, there are 4 ways to perceive this:

1) To simply rationalise the issue within the existing ingame context.
"Sorry folks, but the Jita authorities are restricting entry due to our limited capacity to deal with more capsuleers."
Simple as that. Its not a server issue. Its not a player behavior issue. Its simply that Jita cant handle anymore people.

2) Blame the hardware behind the game. The deus ex machina. To claim that the games arfiticial environment is limiting player behavior, and should be "improved" in order to allow people to do what they want, despite that action ezceeding the parameters of the game.

3) Blame players. This one holds true in every case. Its your own choice whether you subject yourself to Jita queues. Nothing is forcing you to go there.

4) Meta analysis of why this problem is occuring in the first place. Why are people piling into Jita? Why has player behavior become so extreme and unilateral as to break the games capacity to cope? What is it, in the game, that is causing behaviornthat is leading to the game not being able to sustain that behavior?

I prefer the 4th perspective.

And I posit that the reasons are twofold:
A) There are not enough incentives to trade locally.
B) The cost and risk of transit to Jita, instead, are too low.

The sum total of these two makes it "better" in most cases to haul everything to Jita, rather than trade locally.
The time spent/ISK potential/risk equation favors Jita trading over local trading in most cases.

What to be done? I have some suggestions.
I) Id encourage more piracy along high value/traffic routes. I genuinely hope that the pile ups at Jita gates are mercilessly attacked and pillaged, so as to increase the risk factor and incentivise local trading.

II) CCP should do absolutely nothing to increase the player capacity of Jita. No one system in the game should have "preferential treatment" over that of others. This is the limit that Jita can hold and that is well and fine. If players insist on trying to jam their fat freighters through the eye of a needle, that is their own choice and problem.

III) As others have pointed out, I encourage trading instead on the outskirts of hubs (not only Jita) and inter-region hauling/trading. It may not be as profitable, yet, but its certainly less competetive than within Jita itself.

IV) One an overall note, Id like to see the geographic regions of space, with their own specific generstion of specific resources more or less unique to them, retain more of them in local markets, rather than so much of it flowing to Jita instead. I feel the topography of materials in the game has become too generalised and flattened. Obviously if you want to aquire these region specific items for yourself, you can go to them and do whatever it is that gets them for you. Whether that is exploration/ratting forspecific modules or whatever. But would you say you go to the MARKETS of these regions to buy them at a good price? No. You go to Jita to buy something that has been hauled from the other end of the universe, and actually still get a better price for it! Sure, this is very convenient. But is it good for the game? I think not.

Lots of people being dumb does not mean there is a big problem. There is a huge amount of options already and CCP should never make changes to protect people from their own stupidity.

So if you were running your own business and because of the processes you set up in your business your customers were experiencing difficulties, would you tell you customers - Sorry, Adapt!? or would you fix the issue...

Theres a little bit of hypocrisy going on here isn't there? Do we have gate locks on blob warfare. Do cyno's and gates get locked when the system exceeds 2k players?

Perhaps that should be happening and null players told to - Sorry, Adapt!

How do you think that' would go down?

Because being unable to log in and or having your ship magically transported elsewhere because you're unable to log in is not broken.

I love how you redefine words to mean something totally different. Tippia's redefined word of the week -

broken
ˈbrəʊk(ə)n/Submit
adjective
1.
having been broken.
"he had a broken arm"
synonyms: whole, unburst, unfragmented, un-splintered, working...

Do I really have to explain how being unable to log in or have your ship magically transported to another system because your unable to login to Jita is broken?

"Inconvenient" is not "broken". At least it's not to people who are not overly entitled.

Sunday i logged in my newest character to change her training. I leave her in Jita because it's just easier. The "choose another system" box popped up and I choose Perimeter.

My skill books were in jita, I undocked and flew to the Jita gate and it was locked. I set dest to jita 4-4 and turned on my autopilot and went to go get a sandwich. When I came back i was docked in Jita 4-4.

Mild inconvenience, sure, but nothing to start crying about. I've since moved that new character to Hek, worse market, no waiting. Smart people adapt.