EVE General Discussion

A system cap that prevents people from jumping or logging into system is effective lag. Considering the annoyance over fleet lag and how many people it affected, not being able to access the main trade hub on a weekend is at least as important. At the least it's obstructing gameplay, at worst allowing gankers to exploit people who I'm sure will learn their lesson - but they aren't going to walk away from the experience happy, eh. Don't forget a lot of rookies go to Jita early on out of curiosity. I doubt it's helpful to player retention when they are forced to sit on a gate for ages spamming jump, then die to gankers.


This is where I'll agree to disagree and leave the debate. This one simply cannot be fixed by players and anyone who takes this stance is deluded. Those of you who continuously argue that Jita overcrowding is the result of player behaviour seem to assume that players will magically resolve it. They cannot and they will not, and if you can't see that, you're being deliberately obtuse.


As per above, I don't think this is within player remit to resolve. I'm not all that sympathetic to people who get ganked in or around Jita, but having to spam login to my Jita alts does irritate the **** out of me, and despite my best efforts I have to have some there due to current game mechanics. If there's a viable means for me to not have to ever go to Jita again, I'll take it, and I suspect others would.

Those of you arguing players are at fault here are quite literally apologising on CCP's behalf for overloaded servers and hardware and not only blaming players but curtailing any debate as to how the problem can be resolved. And I seriously doubt many of you even undock!

…and I showed you: like so or so, according to need.

This lets you get things in and out of Jita without being in Jita. Your refusal to use the mechanics at hand is your problem, not a problem with the game.

No. It really isn't. If you'er going to use the term “lag”, learn what it means.

…familiar with the many tools they have at their disposal. The problems can be solved by players just fine if the need arises, and the fact that they aren't used in any quantity right now suggests that the need simply isn't there.

no, you giving me an answer to a question i didn't ask isn't me refusing to do anything. you're just wrong; it's not easier for you to move things if you're not in jita. being further away from jita doesn't make it easier to get things in or out of jita in any way shape or form.

as much as i enjoy your terrible posting guys, i have work in the morning. sleep well ladies and gents.

As opposed to suggesting invulnerability for people who can't be bothered to stay away from Jita due to some imagined, compulsory, and player driven reason.

As opposed to suggesting trucker tags so ONLY transports and freighters are allowed to enter these player created hubs.

Welcome to a game created by the players. This horseshit is of our own making. Most of us are getting on just fine. The rest are demanding that CCP do something. I don't want CCP doing anything. I love them to death because they made an awesome game. But, asking the Gods of Eve to perform Divine Intervention is at best irresponsible and at the very least, just plain lazy.

Tank your ships and dont stuff them full of plunder. We have deep space trasports for this very thing.

I was enjoying hauling (Small, valuable cargos using some form of blockade running) as my original, starting EVE career until I learned of the likes of Push and the Frogs. It's just so much cheaper and easier to offload the risk to them and to simply focus on other things. There's a reason people specialise in different areas and I'd much rather pay somebody for their speciality than try to do what they do as well as what I currently do.

None of which I support.

I can see the defensive argument, "it ain't broke, doesn't need fixing" but - sorry, I think it's broke. The only reason forum folk rage so hard against even discussing solutions seems to be because they don't bloody well play, and assume every problem discussion is a whine thread to be slapped about. What if it is a genuine issue?

Blaming players doesn't resolve the problem, and neither does suggesting it's a mechanic they should bypass using their intellect. If people play on a weekend and Jita represents best value for money, they will go.

The fact that the system can't support the volume of players on a weekend is a credit to CCP in terms of active players but for the majority it's an annoyance which obstructs gameplay.

As I suggested earlier I can think of a variety of tweaks that would allow things to continue without nerfing gameplay. Reinforcing adjacent systems/reviewing the regions they are in and promoting constellationwide chat channels might help. They could be more aggressive and remove docked players from Jita after a couple of hours (although I can see people abusing that, so perhaps only pods :P).

Provided traders can access their orders and scam spammers could still link in local, I don't really see how they'd even care. Encourage those sat in local to be in adjacent systems and you restore the ability for active players to move in and out of system. I really don't see how this is such a bad suggestion, or why debating it promotes such outraged squawking.

We already have all of the tools we need to safely transport goods. People should not be made invulnerable to protect them from their own stupidity.

Answering all the: "go play something else". Nope, I like EVE, but I just think this 'beeing shoot target on a gate' is unfair.

Maybe a messagebox that let's you decide:

[*Get in a queu and wait to get in]
[*Leave for somewhere else]

While having this choise, not beeing able to get targetted?




Nope, no autopilot was involved, it was all done manual. I was hauling some too expensive stuff to autopilot, and I came from WHspace


Sounds like a good idea. Doesn't seem to hard and game changing.

The people saying that it would triple the server's workload.
It already has to check if the system is full when you try to take the gate. Let the same query run when you align to it and you might not even warp to the Jita gate.
If you don't care about that, put a "don't show it again" option on it, the same as lowsec systems show.



About shopping somewhere else.
Jita has everything you need, it's like going to Wallmarkt, you find everything you need in 1 place.
Do you drive to the farmer for milk, to the windmill for flour and to the bakery to get a bread from it?
Jita is usefull because you spend less time flying around doing "boring" stuff.



It doesn't take more then 2 seconds to lock you, it takes the same amount of time to quickly read and close the pop-up. Start looking for a warp-out station and warp scrammed. It doesn't seem to hard for gankers that way.
And escaping trough the gate? Nope, Jita is closed.
Seems a bit to easy for gankers imo.


That's not what I think is the best solution. This one is probably already 5% of the reason global warming exists.


Bedtime here, looking forward to tomorrow :)