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[ISHTI] Condemnation of Pornography – Legal Statement

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Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#1 - 2011-11-27 17:20:42 UTC
In the Name of the Lord


To whom it may concern,

it shall be public knowledge that the house of d’Hanguest condemns the œuvre titled “Odelya d’Hanguest in Sensitive Girl” and that we opine that this so called “work of art” consists of nothing else than insidious, distasteful, and blasphemous pornography.

By unanimous decision of the family council Odelya d’Hanguest shall not be considered a member of the family d’Hanguest anymore. Her rights to inheritance are deemed null and void. Independent lawyers—from both royal and imperial law firms–have rendered expert opinions that her status as Duchess of Pallas, and 1st Baroness of Artusci and Chitarus forfeited latæ sententiæ (by opinion of imperial law), or rather is in abeyance (by opinion of royal law). The public may account for that in its correspondence with the aforementioned party.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
CEO of Ishtirak d’Hanguest
Cosmo Cyrano
October Country
#2 - 2011-11-27 17:40:29 UTC
This condemnation is worthless without pictures. Please attach the material in question so that we can all learn to recognise distateful blasphemy when we see it, and avoid it in future.

Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#3 - 2011-11-27 18:50:47 UTC
Well, that'll happen.

Bringing shame to the family has consequences.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2011-11-27 19:18:37 UTC
On the IGS of all places. Public shame to the family brings public shame from the family.

Katrina Oniseki

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-27 20:03:00 UTC
Interesting. Would Odelya deem to comment on this?

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2011-11-27 21:22:02 UTC
I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Gottii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-11-27 21:36:54 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.



No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2011-11-27 23:25:52 UTC
Gottii wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.



No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night.


Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter.
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-28 00:30:46 UTC
So... wait. A young Amarrian lady stars in an independent film that happens to deal with adult themes in a mature and (in my opinion) tasteful manner and her family's response is to disown her?

...I do not think I will ever understand the Amarrian people.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#10 - 2011-11-28 00:34:51 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.


For once, I approve your statement Rodj, I too want a copy to examine to be sure, this is indeed not of an artful nature. I would be remiss to blindly agree to denouncing something as pornographic without a thorough investigation.
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-28 01:21:17 UTC
I always thought that the smooth, rounded surfaces of Amarr ships, stations and architecture were a subconscious attempt by Amarrian designers to externalise and fetishise internally-repressed sexuality. Just saying.
Aestivalis Saidrian
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#12 - 2011-11-28 02:10:14 UTC
Close enough.

Then you have some of the Minmatar designs where I looked at it and said to myself "Stabber? I know what this stabs."

That being said, the crew aboard Stabbers are good folk and having flown a Stabber for a bit, I have nothing but respect for them.

Also, I have to say that the girl knew what she was getting into. Do I think its a bit overboard? Sure. But all the same, things such as that Independent Movie, are against cultural norms.


Also, yes, most of the Amarr ships look pretty phallic to me.
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#13 - 2011-11-28 02:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
On the IGS of all places. Public shame to the family brings public shame from the family.

Katrina, given the context, are you sure you didn't mean pubic shame instead?

Given the rather broad and vague definition of pornography used by many Amarrians (at least among the capsuleer class, and presumably among a fair amount of the Empire's baseliner population), I'm left wondering if it was actually something that most other people would consider pornographic in nature, and not just something that would serve as an example for some of the stereotypes that are perpetuated by this sort of incident.

A clarfication would be rather beneficial here, I think - specifically, an explanation of what exactly made the œuvre qualify as pornography in the family's eyes.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Gottii
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-11-28 03:00:23 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
Gottii wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.



No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night.


Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter.



I thought you would be pleased with the comment, Lady Goldcore.

If it makes you feel better, think of it as one more reason you need to enslave my kind and further our development as mature human beings....
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#15 - 2011-11-28 04:49:50 UTC
Gottii wrote:

If it makes you feel better, think of it as one more reason you need to enslave my kind and further our development as mature human beings....



Heeeeeere we go again.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc

Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-28 05:15:25 UTC
It's all a bit academic really. I guess my point was that if everything else in your society is designed like a sexual fetish object, you don't really need pornography.

Also, publicly announcing reputation-cleansing activities is actually a really bad way to cleanse your reputation.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#17 - 2011-11-28 06:44:20 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Katrina, given the context, are you sure you didn't mean pubic shame instead?


No. I did not.

Katrina Oniseki

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#18 - 2011-11-28 07:36:38 UTC
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
Gottii wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
I refuse to believe this until I've examined the evidence.



No doubt alone....in your quarters....throughout the night.


Glad we got the mature Matari' opinion on the matter.


I can provide the immature Matari opinion, but you should be warned ahead of time that it involves fart jokes and horrible innuendo.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2011-11-28 07:37:27 UTC
while this news is important, I think what may be more important is to discuss what exactly is the line between art and porn. To be honest its a fairly vague line with no easily defined rules.

Some material is obviously art, while others are obviously nothing more than, well, pornography.

I haven't exactly come across any material from the Theology council on the matter, nor is it ever discussed in any detail.
Mikkel Lybecker
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-28 09:25:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikkel Lybecker
Thgil Goldcore wrote:
while this news is important, I think what may be more important is to discuss what exactly is the line between art and ****. To be honest its a fairly vague line with no easily defined rules.

Some material is obviously art, while others are obviously nothing more than, well, pornography.

I haven't exactly come across any material from the Theology council on the matter, nor is it ever discussed in any detail.


That's because it's a massively non-useful dead horse go-nowhere discussion.

I get a furniture catalogue sent to me by email, I see furniture. Someone else with a furniture fetish (probably an Amarrian) gets the same catalogue sent to them and sees arousal material. To them, it's porn. To me, it's shopping. Likewise, some people like to watch holoreels of adults in consenting reproductive situations. I really don't. To them, that's porn. To me, it's either comedy or tragedy, or in some cases horror - but it's definitely not porn.

There's just nothing more to say about this beyond "I like X, you like Y, so what of it'. Pornography, like art, is 100% in the eye of the beholder, so you can't ever really make any sensible or useful conclusions from this question.

And kicking the girl out of the family for stashing a bit of film seems a bit harsh, but then, we are talking Amarr here, so I guess whatever. I'm sure the family will sort it out somehow. Or maybe they wont. In any event, there are more important things to think about. Like what I'm having for dinner tonight. Who votes that I start a cooking thread?
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