EVE General Discussion

That gives me a sense of comfort. While I see it is linked, why when you are promoting and defending the service do you not state that?



Before flinging insults like a poo-slinging money and accusing people of ignorance, read their posts carefully.



See? That is not ignorant. It simply means I don't trust you, your buddy or his hosted service enough to submit even a limited API key to you. There are other applications that I trust a bit more. Especially when I am in control of them, can monitor their activity and so forth.

The value of this thing you are promoting - reading of EVE mail in an email client? I can read my mail in EVE Gate when I'm logged into the forums already. It has no value to me.

Hence - the risk of your buddy having access to all my EVE Mail is not worth it for the negligible benefit it provides me.

Because I'm stupid.



I wasn't wrong.



Nonsense, libel is deceit, intentional or not. The last thing I would ask anyone to do is act carelessly and there are risks inherent in everything we do. If you think I've failed to disclose anything, call me on that rather than trying to scare people out of something they may not understand.

You want people to treat you with courtesy and to talk to points when you throw insults around? Bit of a double standard there. I will say this - if your buddy had been promoting his own service, he'd have had a much better showing of it. You, at the moment, are doing him far more harm than good.



Asking somebody to take your word that it is safe ... you don't see that as asking them to act carelessly?

Try this for size.

Send me 1,000,000,000 ISK and I'll send you double back. Trust me. I will.

Do you see the similarity? Trust is earned. You don't get it because you ask for it.

On the off-chance though... 2/10.

Oh my creator... Are you guys seriously? Okay, what do people want to know? If you have questions for me, why aren't you posting them in the relevant thread?

As far as this thread goes, I understand my name is fairly new to you all, but I have been in EVE since 2004... I understand the risks and concerns and have done everything I can think of to both enable solid functionality, and provide security by reducing the amount of data requested and reserved (cached) to only tidbits here and there from the whole picture. I understand that I'm not "trustworthy", but so were all of those other services when they came out, nobody knew them from the ground they stood on.

I ask for a bit of trust yes, I can affirm many times over that I'm not logging anything (and definitely will NEVER share ANY information that comes through the server), though, to quell concerns, I could provide a means to track accesses by key ID and IP address, of course vCode specifically to ID you and give you access to that list. It means that if your key is compromised, and you suspect somebody is fetching your mail, you can check that page and see all the IPs that have accessed it with your ID and vCode authenticating you to access that list. (List cannot and will not be purged until ID has not been used for say a month or 3.)

I think what scares a lot of people is the fact that the service is completely anonymous... there's no secondary layer of protection like with the giants... Well that's not what's intended here, this is meant to be a fast, easy means to access your eve mail with a limited CAK that only YOU should know. I'm giving you guys responsibility to be responsible with your key, and I'm in turn accepting responsibility for handling your data in the highest regards to privacy.

Rather than give you a false sense of security by making you register to a website before you provide a CAK to do anything, I'm letting you define your own access. This service is not meant to replace anyone, just to augment the API in a new fashion that makes it even more convenient for those on the go or for those that can't be on EVE-Gate all the time to watch their mail.

EDIT:
Reply to Jenn Makanen: That's a nifty shorthand version of kinda what's going on here, I go through a lot more to do that though since I cache repeat requests so the EVE API servers don't get trashed. That's what that other eve notification service is using too essentially, but I wanted to avoid having a third party mail server in the way unless the user wants it in the way (like GMail), I wanted to allow direct access by the user into say Thunderbird.

Your char (and your corp) are from 2004 but haven't been played at all, you're not on any killboard whatsoever. You may be a very inactive player but more likely you're an alt, which doesn't really help your credibility when it comes to stuff like this. So... no, not buying it.

Because your numbnuts promoter decided to post this one, asking people to trust you because he says so.

I personally understand now that you require a limited API key that only grants access to the mail segments. I only discovered this by reading your thread, instead of relying on your promoter / agent.

I personally dislike the idea of "Trust this, because I say so".

There is, at the moment, nothing except your word to us, stopping you from snooping all EVE Mail passed through your service.

I don't know you.

You don't have a reputation that I can trust.

Thus, I have no personal desire to trust you.

If I had come across your original thread first and spoken to you it would have been different. But that other chap made it look too suspicious.

I would care to point out that I DO have a domain, and that by regulation, it does have a valid contact name and address for me on it. There are paths for retribution should I betray trust, but alas, everyone is afraid, nobody is willing to trust anyone but big corporations/entities on the internet, and we wonder why there's stagnancy in new program development/startups? Had I written and posted this project say... 4 years ago, I'm sure I would have had at least 1 person try it. At least the proof of concept works, you can get EMail from EVEMail. I understand you're ALL afraid, and that's fine with the next great EVE scam just around the corner. I still read the news, I saw the stories about the ponzi schemes and stuff. That's why I'm not asking for your money, just your trust, you stand to lose far less. There's plenty for you to gain from my project... I wrote this project for you, the people, shame I'm just going to have to move it someplace else and relinquish it to the cluttered confines of my HDD forever.

Thanks for the wake up call, I doubt any of you would trust any of the other projects I have in mind because those require your character sheets and some other sensitive data.

I did what I could, I wrote the program, I set up the server, I asked for a little shred of trust so people could help me make this a great and powerful tool for the users... I don't see where I failed personally, but somehow, I failed, thanks again for all the useful information about how my project doesn't work because of a thing called humanity, or the lack thereof, I'm not quite sure yet.