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Chromite Amora
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-21 07:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Chromite Amora
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2 - 2014-02-21 08:06:52 UTC
Some people have more time than money and for others it's the other way around
Humang
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#3 - 2014-02-21 09:12:45 UTC
The question could be posed why would you pay real money for something you can make for free in game?

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SJ Astralana
Syncore
#4 - 2014-02-21 10:08:29 UTC
I've been playing for free on semi-passive income since plexes became available. It's cute what a few BPOs and some capital can achieve.

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Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#5 - 2014-02-21 10:23:39 UTC
Playing market can get insanely proffitable. But i am perfectly fine with you selling plex. ;-)
Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#6 - 2014-02-21 13:31:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rykker Bow
Depends on your personal definition of fun imo. For me it's playing 3 accounts, lots of isk and shiney ships and not spending a dime in RL currency.

I also enjoy the market meta game, crunching numbers and finding trends to manipulate. The skills built up over the years has allowed me to be able to jump in and out of the market to make a quick 15-20b a week when needed.

Play the game to have fun and figure out your means to an end; buying plex, missions, trading, pirating and yes, even mining.

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Pickle Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-02-21 18:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Pickle Solette
So you want to play a game where you just pay for fake money? Where's the fun in that?
ISD Tyrozan
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#8 - 2014-02-22 19:46:33 UTC
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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-22 20:24:39 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.


Well simple.

Most people have a life or a wife (with or without kids) and thus not always want to keep dumping RL cash in a game.

Then there is the fun part of the game, some like to do "x".

But most of all:


ISK is a freaking tool. ISK isn't a measurement of how good you are or a goal. It's a mean to get to your goal
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J'Poll
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#10 - 2014-02-22 20:25:48 UTC
ISD Tyrozan wrote:
Thread has been moved to EVE New Citizens Q&A.


Why, looks more like a GD thread to meP

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Victoria Thorne
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Caldari State
#11 - 2014-02-22 20:30:01 UTC
It's worth mentioning, you are selling the PLEX you buy to another player. Someone has to grind that ISK in order be able to sell it. (Which depending on what you do and where you are, can be easy or hard.) If everyone bought PLEX, their value would go down.
Laura Gallardo
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#12 - 2014-02-22 20:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Laura Gallardo
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.

Well, if you have the RL cash and can spend it, sure. But somebody has to buy you the plex, and those are the people who either can not, or don't want to pay IRL money for ISK and subscription. I am pretty sure that the ones with the big wallets, are already set up to positions where their effort isn't that big in game time, because of their knowledge of the market.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#13 - 2014-02-22 23:49:23 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Most people have a life or a wife (with or without kids) …


Some people have a spouse who is not female. Having a spouse doesn't mean you have no life.
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#14 - 2014-02-23 01:15:43 UTC
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.


This is an astute observation and indeed simply selling a plex now and then is a viable option. It's what I do to make up the gap.

I was put off the entire MMO genre for *years* because of grinding. I don't need a second job. I play games to have fun. Grinding PvE missions or mining for ISK is the very definition of un-fun for me. YMMV.

Not all PvE is necessarily bad though, IMO. Exploration is at least interesting, for a while at least, if you stick to Low/Null/WH. FW missions are lucrative enough that they aren't as grind-intensive and are at least dangerous. But if I'd been forced to PvE for everything I would not have made it past month 1.

Generally, it seems to me to be a lot more fun to make ISK in-game where other players are involved. There's lots of ways to interact with other players in this game. You might be interested in the Gameplay forums section for "Warfare and Tactics" and "Crime and Punishment".

In the end, I am pretty happy to just sell plex every couple months to fund my Frigate habit. At least for now.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-02-23 01:24:13 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Most people have a life or a wife (with or without kids) …


Some people have a spouse who is not female. Having a spouse doesn't mean you have no life.


I know.

It just sounded funny that way.P

Basic point was, some people just don't want to keep dumping RL money into a game when you can do the exact same without spending any real life money.

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J'Poll
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#16 - 2014-02-23 01:26:54 UTC
Miriya Zakalwe wrote:
Chromite Amora wrote:
I'm a new player so I don't fully understand the eve universe yet, however it seems that doing missions or playing the market is a complete waste of time and energy when I can simply sell a few plexes and have several billion isk pretty much instantly. Do people play the market for fun? Do they enjoy doing completing missions? Are plexes too expensive for the average eve player? Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.


This is an astute observation and indeed simply selling a plex now and then is a viable option. It's what I do to make up the gap.

I was put off the entire MMO genre for *years* because of grinding. I don't need a second job. I play games to have fun. Grinding PvE missions or mining for ISK is the very definition of un-fun for me. YMMV.

Not all PvE is necessarily bad though, IMO. Exploration is at least interesting, for a while at least, if you stick to Low/Null/WH. FW missions are lucrative enough that they aren't as grind-intensive and are at least dangerous. But if I'd been forced to PvE for everything I would not have made it past month 1.

Generally, it seems to me to be a lot more fun to make ISK in-game where other players are involved. There's lots of ways to interact with other players in this game. You might be interested in the Gameplay forums section for "Warfare and Tactics" and "Crime and Punishment".

In the end, I am pretty happy to just sell plex every couple months to fund my Frigate habit. At least for now.


This is basically my game style to atm.

I tend to keep my ships small and affordable, which in term means I can just spent a bit of RL money now and then to keep my wallet healthy.

But if in the case RL says no, I still have my in game stuff I can fall back too for my ISK creation.

It's a fragile balance between maximizing fun and doing what needs to be done...

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Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#17 - 2014-02-23 01:28:11 UTC
Humang wrote:
The question could be posed why would you pay real money for something you can make for free in game?


ISK grinding in-game is free only for people who place no value on their time :)
Miriya Zakalwe
World Wide Welp
#18 - 2014-02-23 01:31:53 UTC
J'Poll wrote:


But if in the case RL says no, I still have my in game stuff I can fall back too for my ISK creation.

It's a fragile balance between maximizing fun and doing what needs to be done...


Yeah. I was actually relatively concerned about this before leaving Faction War. I found myself thinking "OMG, how will I make money like this without FW?"

At which point I realized I was going down a bad, locked-in path to quitting the game. For me, selling a plex occasionally is much more healthy, and I am having a lot more fun now.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#19 - 2014-02-23 01:32:55 UTC
Chromite Amora wrote:
Please help me understand why more people aren't just selling plexes.


For some people, ISK = points. That is, the more ISK they have, the more winning they are.

For other people, there is the satisfaction of setting themselves goals and accomplishing them. In some cases the goals will be scores on a kill board, for other people it will be average percentage gain on market deals, and for others it will be the number of asteroid belts they clear out in a day.

Then there are economic issues, such as the fact that in Romania a high wage earner can expect around $US12,000 per year. This means that the cost of a PLEX is proportionally five times as much for a Romanian player as for a US or German player.

And for some people, there is the simple pleasure of PLEXing their account each month. Their goal is to play for free, so they participate in "play to pay".
Billy Sastard
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-02-23 09:25:16 UTC
Here is something to ponder...

If everyone bought PLEX to sell for ISK and nobody ran missions, who would make the ISK to trade for PLEX?

That ISK that one receives when they sell a PLEX does not come from nowhere, somebody had to make that ISK somehow, and right now I think there are only a couple means in game where ISK is injected (ISK faucets if you will) and I am pretty sure running missions is a major one of the faucets...
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