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BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-02-20 22:02:14 UTC
This idea is based mainly to help out Faction Warfare corps and alliances, but all corps and alliances could benefit from this as passive incomes continue to dry up. I'll try and break this down to how it might help/hurt all aspects of space.

Let’s start with Null sec first. They are missing a considerable chunk of moon goo income these days. With the new ESS in null sec pilots are getting isk along with LP. The addition of LP, while using the ESS, magnifies how much a pilot can gain from ratting. LP the pilot is receiving is missed income for the corp and alliance. Allowing the corps to collect a small portion of the LP, possibly based on tax percentage, might entice Null sec corps and alliances to consider the ESS. This could also play an effect with the groups in null that run pirate faction missions.

High sec corps and alliances stand to gain, arguably, the most if this were to happen. This would just be another income generator for all High sec entities. This could even help create SRP’s for some High sec groups looking to get into wars or mercenary work.

None Faction Warfare Low sec corps and alliances could also benefit from this. There are groups who form corps and alliances around doing L5 missions. With the potential LP pay out to corps from these missions we might see some real action in and around these systems. I know some may argue that there is already action in these systems, but there are still many that are dead ¾ of the day. This would be a great catalyst for content with all low sec missioning systems.

Faction Warfare Low sec corps and alliances tend to have an income problem. They mainly rely on donations from members to keep ship in stock and offices open. In Faction Warfare there is no real drive to rat as low sec rats don’t pay out well. Clone soldiers are rare and are not a dependable source of income for Faction Warfare groups. Our main drive is to kill our enemies and run Faction Warfare complexes. Both result in LP being paid out to the pilot. Adding a Corp LP tax could help finance SRP’s and any future Asakai’s.

What are some other reasons this would be good? LP is a technically an ISK sink, we could always use more corp ISK sinks. Groups might move around to get the LP they want, Corps could turn in LP and use it for SRP.

I know my idea is far from perfect, but could make for a great addition to the game. Please give thoughts on this. With CCP looking to revamp corp permissions anyway this is a great time to put a bug in their ear.

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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#2 - 2014-02-20 22:27:51 UTC
They'll add this in 3 years when they do the corp role overhaul Big smile

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Alundil
Rolled Out
#3 - 2014-02-21 00:05:06 UTC
This post reserved for the first corporate LP Pool Theft Scam Threadnaught

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Catherine Laartii
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-02-21 00:14:39 UTC
I like the idea, but I think it should be set up for alliances, rather than individual corporations. I could see this being set up as a tax system, rather than a donation system. Although both might be equally viable, I could see this being useful in regards to farmers in the corp; they could contribute a bit more than they do now.

Although, to be entirely honest, I'd like to see them overhaul missions before they implement something like this.
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2014-02-21 06:10:18 UTC  |  Edited by: BAJRAN BALI
Alundil wrote:
This post reserved for the first corporate LP Pool Theft Scam Threadnaught
God I hope so!

Catherine Laartii wrote:
I like the idea, but I think it should be set up for alliances, rather than individual corporations. I could see this being set up as a tax system, rather than a donation system. Although both might be equally viable, I could see this being useful in regards to farmers in the corp; they could contribute a bit more than they do now..
As I stated, It could work well for both corps and alliances. Also I'm not sure if you misunderstood, but I meant it for a taxing tool.

Thanks for your input!

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2014-02-21 06:46:45 UTC
There needs to be options for transferring loyalty points between players.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-21 19:22:06 UTC
Batelle wrote:
There needs to be options for transferring loyalty points between players.

Yes there does.

But I think the OP is asking for something different: Tax the LP for the corp wallet. It sounds like a good idea.
Until you find you have one member running missions for a different corp than everyone else or worse, a bunch of corps to get his standings up across high sec. Though being able to trade the LP for ISK would solve that problem.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-02-21 20:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Loyalty points are between the player and the corp...they should never be transferrable in my opinion, it just makes no sense in corporation terms...

I think a 'letter of recommendation' method could work to push a players lp up to faction level but other than that i can't agree on player to player lp transfer or lp tax. ('Player corp to npc corp: 'We're taking some of your trust in bob by way of tax. That's ok by you isn't it?'...
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2014-02-21 20:51:16 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Loyalty points are between the player and the corp...they should never be transferrable in my opinion, it just makes no sense in corporation terms...


LP are currency just like everything else. They're just a currency that's really annoying to trade in. I would agree with you if LP was used for anything besides dispensing bacon to hungry little mission runners.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-02-22 15:28:47 UTC
Let me take a second to clarify. I keep seeing where some are mentioning players trading LP. THIS IS NOT WHAT I MEANT. I'd like to see a corp LP tax to help generate ISK on the corp level to help with SRP's and other corp sponsored things.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-02-22 15:35:47 UTC
Same principle though, the NPC corp trusts the player who performs duties for them, not the players corp so they wouldn't give LP to the players corp. If your players value your corp then they can convert LP to goods and give 10% of the profits
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-02-22 16:40:46 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Same principle though, the NPC corp trusts the player who performs duties for them, not the players corp so they wouldn't give LP to the players corp.
Not sure I agree with this. NPC corp standings are not always based on the pilots standings. If you refer to Evelopedia and scroll to the boittom and read under "NPC Faction standings towards Player corporations" you'll notice player corp standings are taken into effect. To take an example, Jump clones can be obtained in short order by joining a player corp with an NPC corp standing of 8 or higher. If the player corp is trusted enough by the NPC corp to provide jump clones, even if the player corp pilot has terrible standing, I think the NPC corp can trust them enough with LP's in the form of a tax.

I've not been able to find exact information on Evelopedia about player corp standings allowing you to do missions for NPC agents you don't have access to with your personal standings, but I'm sure this comes into effect. I'm also unable to test this as I have no pilots with this particular issue. In the past I have obtained jump clones through my corp standings that I should not have been able to get without the aid of my corp's standings.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-02-22 17:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
BAJRAN BALI wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Same principle though, the NPC corp trusts the player who performs duties for them, not the players corp so they wouldn't give LP to the players corp.
Not sure I agree with this. NPC corp standings are not always based on the pilots standings. If you refer to Evelopedia and scroll to the boittom and read under "NPC Faction standings towards Player corporations" you'll notice player corp standings are taken into effect. To take an example, Jump clones can be obtained in short order by joining a player corp with an NPC corp standing of 8 or higher. If the player corp is trusted enough by the NPC corp to provide jump clones, even if the player corp pilot has terrible standing, I think the NPC corp can trust them enough with LP's in the form of a tax.

I've not been able to find exact information on Evelopedia about player corp standings allowing you to do missions for NPC agents you don't have access to with your personal standings, but I'm sure this comes into effect. I'm also unable to test this as I have no pilots with this particular issue. In the past I have obtained jump clones through my corp standings that I should not have been able to get without the aid of my corp's standings.


The rise in your own standings contributes to you corps standings I thought? Just feels wrong to think of taxing loyalty! The player should cash in LP and give 10% to the corp if they feel that strongly about it :D
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-02-22 19:45:33 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Same principle though, the NPC corp trusts the player who performs duties for them, not the players corp so they wouldn't give LP to the players corp. If your players value your corp then they can convert LP to goods and give 10% of the profits


Standings represent the NPC corps trust in the capsuleer. Not loyalty points.

Loyalty points have nothing to do with trust or loyalty. They are just a currency that is annoying to use.
BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-03-19 20:33:44 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:

Standings represent the NPC corps trust in the capsuleer. Not loyalty points.

Loyalty points have nothing to do with trust or loyalty. They are just a currency that is annoying to use.


This is what I'm getting at. LP is seen as a currency by most pilots. With that in mind I don't see why we couldn't put a tax on it for corps.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#16 - 2014-03-19 21:14:51 UTC
wouldnt mind.

LP's arent meant to be a currency as such. i think its a way to quantify NPC corp gratitude. Thus it makes sense to perhaps share it with the corp (like thanking a boss for sending good employees) but doesnt make sense to transfer LP between players (just because u say hes a good guy, doesn't mean they'll just beleive u and give them special stuff).

same way for standings. ur corp standings is affected by ur personal standing. but u cannot trade standings.

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BAJRAN BALI
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-03-19 21:35:04 UTC
Daichi Yamato wrote:
doesnt make sense to transfer LP between players


I agree with you here. This is a good time for me to specify about that. The LP should be collected in tax for much like isk off bounties for rats killed and mission rewards and deposited into the corp LP wallet. Now from here I feel it should be bound to the corp and could be spent by directors. Maybe the LP could even be it's own special division in the wallet and CEO's can allow access that way. In being bound to the corp this should solve any major LP monopoly's I could see come out of this. Also maybe not allow it to be added to the pilots LP who is spending it on behalf of the corp.

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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#18 - 2014-03-19 21:51:46 UTC
BAJRAN BALI wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
doesnt make sense to transfer LP between players


I agree with you here. This is a good time for me to specify about that. The LP should be collected in tax for much like isk off bounties for rats killed and mission rewards and deposited into the corp LP wallet. Now from here I feel it should be bound to the corp and could be spent by directors. Maybe the LP could even be it's own special division in the wallet and CEO's can allow access that way. In being bound to the corp this should solve any major LP monopoly's I could see come out of this. Also maybe not allow it to be added to the pilots LP who is spending it on behalf of the corp.


Disagree. If you want to put a corp tax on LP paypouts, then you should go full tilt and allow LP transfers between players also.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#19 - 2014-03-19 23:54:19 UTC
BAJRAN BALI wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Same principle though, the NPC corp trusts the player who performs duties for them, not the players corp so they wouldn't give LP to the players corp.
Not sure I agree with this. NPC corp standings are not always based on the pilots standings. If you refer to Evelopedia and scroll to the boittom and read under "NPC Faction standings towards Player corporations" you'll notice player corp standings are taken into effect. To take an example, Jump clones can be obtained in short order by joining a player corp with an NPC corp standing of 8 or higher. If the player corp is trusted enough by the NPC corp to provide jump clones, even if the player corp pilot has terrible standing, I think the NPC corp can trust them enough with LP's in the form of a tax.

I've not been able to find exact information on Evelopedia about player corp standings allowing you to do missions for NPC agents you don't have access to with your personal standings, but I'm sure this comes into effect. I'm also unable to test this as I have no pilots with this particular issue. In the past I have obtained jump clones through my corp standings that I should not have been able to get without the aid of my corp's standings.


player corp standings don't let you mission beyond your own standings, that I'm aware of..... that said - NPC corp standings are how you advance, though you can also mission enough with a friend to be able to pull out lvl 4's with a certain agent who you have a lousy corp standing towards.....

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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#20 - 2014-03-20 00:27:05 UTC
BAJRAN BALI wrote:
This idea is based mainly to help out Faction Warfare corps and alliances, but all corps and alliances could benefit from this as passive incomes continue to dry up. I'll try and break this down to how it might help/hurt all aspects of space.

Let’s start with Null sec first. They are missing a considerable chunk of moon goo income these days. With the new ESS in null sec pilots are getting isk along with LP. The addition of LP, while using the ESS, magnifies how much a pilot can gain from ratting. LP the pilot is receiving is missed income for the corp and alliance. Allowing the corps to collect a small portion of the LP, possibly based on tax percentage, might entice Null sec corps and alliances to consider the ESS. This could also play an effect with the groups in null that run pirate faction missions.

High sec corps and alliances stand to gain, arguably, the most if this were to happen. This would just be another income generator for all High sec entities. This could even help create SRP’s for some High sec groups looking to get into wars or mercenary work.

None Faction Warfare Low sec corps and alliances could also benefit from this. There are groups who form corps and alliances around doing L5 missions. With the potential LP pay out to corps from these missions we might see some real action in and around these systems. I know some may argue that there is already action in these systems, but there are still many that are dead ¾ of the day. This would be a great catalyst for content with all low sec missioning systems.

Faction Warfare Low sec corps and alliances tend to have an income problem. They mainly rely on donations from members to keep ship in stock and offices open. In Faction Warfare there is no real drive to rat as low sec rats don’t pay out well. Clone soldiers are rare and are not a dependable source of income for Faction Warfare groups. Our main drive is to kill our enemies and run Faction Warfare complexes. Both result in LP being paid out to the pilot. Adding a Corp LP tax could help finance SRP’s and any future Asakai’s.

What are some other reasons this would be good? LP is a technically an ISK sink, we could always use more corp ISK sinks. Groups might move around to get the LP they want, Corps could turn in LP and use it for SRP.

I know my idea is far from perfect, but could make for a great addition to the game. Please give thoughts on this. With CCP looking to revamp corp permissions anyway this is a great time to put a bug in their ear.



or you no, if your a real FW corp you have your tax rate set to 50% and have you members run missions for LP since you no LP in missions is WAY more isk than runing plexs. and wow look at that tons of isk.


TLDR: No, dont need another way for stupids leading masses to get rich.

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