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Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-02-21 12:32:14 UTC
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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-02-21 12:57:11 UTC
Yes, you figured it out.

I didnt actually read the OP, but goddamnit you are right!

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#23 - 2014-02-21 14:08:04 UTC
It's the Aliens!!
No it's the Illuminati!!
No it's a global conspiracy!!
Wait, my TV is off.

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Macabre Combine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-02-21 14:59:45 UTC
I like to make fun of the truth by making it seem like its a conspiracy, I learned a thing or two about a thing or two from my masters.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#25 - 2014-02-21 15:04:35 UTC
Posting in a stealth Dinsdale thread.





EDIT: lol Big smile

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


That sounds quite plausible, actually.

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." -  D. Adams.
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#26 - 2014-02-21 16:16:49 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:

I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise?


My bar pays 60k a year for a 1/8 page ad in each of the two local weeklies. That's 120k for just one thing hardly anyone sees. Advertising is not cheap.

Six million a year worldwide is nothing for a game company. Barely a blip in your peripheral vision.

Mr Epeen Cool


You are indeed correct at 6 million/year being a blip.
So how much was the publicity of the latest null sec thunderdome worth, if CCP had to actually purchase all the eyeball space and articles written about this? So yeah, the more I think about it, a slick marketing guy would indeed be thinking "hey, if I can orchestrate a fight, we can really leverage our advertising budget".

We are hearing numbers like 15,000 new subs , above normal rates, due to the free advertising. Now, personally, I think the vast majority of those will evaporate fast, due to the griefing ingame. But that was a huge bump that would not have happened without this fight.

Plus, I read, (though have not seen one), that the failed lawyer is doing public interviews about the fight. IF that is true, wow. Talk about massive "free" advertising for Eve.

So yes, it does look CCP does get a huge amount of this fight. So to stage such a fight would indeed be a smart move from CCP's perspective. The question is then, what do goons/PL/Russians/N3 get out of it?
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-02-21 16:20:37 UTC
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Mario Putzo
#28 - 2014-02-21 16:28:58 UTC
Chances are this probably happened. Considering the whole thing happened due to a bugged wallet. What better way to reinforce the integrity of the game that came into question with HED-GP with an equally if not more so impressive battle a week later, on the anniversary of the epic brawl of Asakai
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#29 - 2014-02-21 16:53:39 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Chances are this probably happened. Considering the whole thing happened due to a bugged wallet. What better way to reinforce the integrity of the game that came into question with HED-GP with an equally if not more so impressive battle a week later, on the anniversary of the epic brawl of Asakai


You could be posting in jest, and just accept that this was human error all along that created this fight, but I will assume that you are serious.


Has anyone confirmed what ever happened specifically with that payment?

From what I have read, someone in N3 screwed up, and that was the catalyst for the whole mess.
Even though I paint a picture where this is a win-win for CCP/goons/Russians (maybe even PL), it is a huge loss for N3 any way it is looked at.

So, if this is some kind of contrived fight, and a "bug" instigated by CCP, would N3 not have been screaming blue murder everywhere? I have not seen that kind of outrage from them, so I have to believe that N3 actually did screw up, and CCP/goons/Russians got lucky.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#30 - 2014-02-21 17:20:50 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Now, personally, I think the vast majority of those will evaporate fast, due to the griefing ingame.


What griefing?

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01101989
We're All Living In America
#31 - 2014-02-21 17:35:33 UTC
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:
What if......







The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node.

I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise?

Considering the fight seems to have generated quite a bit of free advertising and drawn a fairly large spike in numbers, I guess spending a few hundred K among some key people would probably be a worthwhile investment. With the constant NDA drive that everyone seems to be on, it certainly wouldn't be hard to keep it quiet. And many EvE players aren't rich in real life, it certainly would be cheap enough to buy a few.

But if it were true, and you found that CCP was ok with spreading money behind the scenes to generate a buzz., how would you feel about it?

Let the flaming begin....before the Lock...Cool


I bet you also didn't know that about 25% of those titans weren't even fitted. What could that mean?
Mario Putzo
#32 - 2014-02-21 17:39:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
Chances are this probably happened. Considering the whole thing happened due to a bugged wallet. What better way to reinforce the integrity of the game that came into question with HED-GP with an equally if not more so impressive battle a week later, on the anniversary of the epic brawl of Asakai


You could be posting in jest, and just accept that this was human error all along that created this fight, but I will assume that you are serious.

Has anyone confirmed what ever happened specifically with that payment?

From what I have read, someone in N3 screwed up, and that was the catalyst for the whole mess.




It was more tongue in cheek yes. I don't think CCP would purposefully intervene in the game that way.

But it wasn't N3 that did anything wrong. HAVOC (the holding corp at the time) is an alt corp of PL member Manfred Sideous. So about the only connection N3 had to that system at all was the fact HAVOC is in S2N. This was a PL thing the only people who know the nature of what happened are Manny, CCP and anyone Manny or CCP has told.

Could be a ruse, could be a **** up, could be a bug. Either way only winner at the end of the day is CCP, which was nice timing for them considering they spent the week prior reeling from the clusterfuck that was HED-GP, and the reaction of the gaming community to server issues that cropped up during it.(even though those issues were overblown anyway but that to is not relevant.)
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-02-21 17:47:53 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:

I mean,according to some reports, they spend 6 million a year on advertising, I've never seen it. Where do they advertise?


My bar pays 60k a year for a 1/8 page ad in each of the two local weeklies. That's 120k for just one thing hardly anyone sees. Advertising is not cheap.

Six million a year worldwide is nothing for a game company. Barely a blip in your peripheral vision.

Mr Epeen Cool

You are correct advertising is not cheap, but 60k for that, are these stories from your boss or are you the boss? If so man you are getting ripped off.

I disagree
stoicfaux
#34 - 2014-02-21 17:51:35 UTC
AnotherUseless Alt wrote:

The B-R fight was orchestrated by CCP, paying off some of the leadership of PL and Goons to ensure an epic battle, without over-stressing the node.

If more than one person knows a secret, then it's not a secret.

If CCP were to do something like this, they would be vulnerable to blackmail by both parties, and thus would be forced to keep both happy, which could be difficult in a "Alice hates Bob, Bob hates Alice, and both want CCP to do something about the other person" scenario.

tl;dr Not wasting any tinfoil on the OP.

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-02-21 18:18:32 UTC
Please explain how CCP paying people to orchestrate a fight is free advertising.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-02-21 19:01:21 UTC
Don't know if they did if they did its brilliant. The lemmings that make up the mega coallitions deserve no better then to be used like this.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-02-21 19:54:27 UTC
anyone who thinks B-R was orchestrated or staged in any way is insane

N3/PL had been fielding slowcats, dreads, supercarriers and titans for almost every timer in this war until B-R. Unlike those timers, however, we had the numbers on hand to counterdrop with our hardware. Emergent ******* gameplay~

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Mario Putzo
#38 - 2014-02-21 19:58:57 UTC
Andski wrote:
anyone who thinks B-R was orchestrated or staged in any way is insane

N3/PL had been fielding slowcats, dreads, supercarriers and titans for almost every timer in this war until B-R. Unlike those timers, however, we had the numbers on hand to counterdrop with our hardware. Emergent ******* gameplay~


More like finally put on big boy pants and brought the right tool for the job. Your point stands, but lets not pretend all you needed was the numbers. You just needed someones balls to drop...and they did. No more, no less. Could have done the same in HED the week before if you didn't **** up the grid with 1500 Domis.
Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-02-21 21:25:01 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:

It's not Dinsdale. His correct name is Doomsdale.

Doomsdale this Doomsdale that. It's all just Doomsdale.


I don't know, using the name of a character from a Monty Python skit who was convinced that he was being followed around by a giant hedgehog named Spiny Norman seems equally appropriate. It's a bit hard to take seriously.

Every time I see a post, I think "Dinsdale!"," DINSDALE!"
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2014-02-21 21:45:21 UTC
Andski wrote:
anyone who thinks B-R was orchestrated or staged in any way is insane

N3/PL had been fielding slowcats, dreads, supercarriers and titans for almost every timer in this war until B-R. Unlike those timers, however, we had the numbers on hand to counterdrop with our hardware. Emergent ******* gameplay~


Speaking of insane, anyone that trusts a Goon qualifies as one. Lol

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