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EvE Passive income needs to be removed

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2014-02-21 12:53:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
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We'd also make it so resources run out, and in order to generate new resources you have to explore more space, once you mine a moon for 100 years the moon minerals shouldn't respawn when server comes up.
Again, it's been tried. It doesn't work. What you describe leads to one thing: hoarding, inflation, and economic collapse.

Games that have tried that model have all been forced to abandon it for a faucet-sink system.


That actually makes me wonder - would it crash because of hoarding, inflation, et cetera, or would it crash because the dirty little secret of EVE is that the much lauded Player Based Economy rests entirely on the shoulders of a horde of AFK Bot Miners.

When CCP finally adds a minigame to mining (It's definitely coming, the hacking game was a test) you're going to see some serious shakeups in mineral prices.
Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#202 - 2014-02-21 13:22:21 UTC
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Macabre Combine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#203 - 2014-02-21 14:12:45 UTC
Xython wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
We'd also make it so resources run out, and in order to generate new resources you have to explore more space, once you mine a moon for 100 years the moon minerals shouldn't respawn when server comes up.
Again, it's been tried. It doesn't work. What you describe leads to one thing: hoarding, inflation, and economic collapse.

Games that have tried that model have all been forced to abandon it for a faucet-sink system.


That actually makes me wonder - would it crash because of hoarding, inflation, et cetera, or would it crash because the dirty little secret of EVE is that the much lauded Player Based Economy rests entirely on the shoulders of a horde of AFK Bot Miners.

When CCP finally adds a minigame to mining (It's definitely coming, the hacking game was a test) you're going to see some serious shakeups in mineral prices.


CCP should turn mining into a card game like Heartstone, then you could mine all day and entertain thousands on twitch.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#204 - 2014-02-21 14:58:46 UTC
I agree with what seems to be the general consensus: OP doesn't know what he's talking about, or is a troll. But I wanted to address a tangent or two from the below quote.

Tuttomenui II wrote:
First, space is not infinite. Second but a bit off topic Matter can not be created or destroyed. Recycle Much? Third, this is the huge one. EvE is a game. And duh its balanced, because if you could build said super weapon you would just replace this imagined alliance you think is so hard to topple without said super weapon. And then guess what your back at square one with an entire fake galaxy of pissed off subscribers that can't take the region from you even if it was you vs. everyone else.


In Eve, matter most certainly is created and destroyed. Moon mining and PI create matter out of nothing. So does exploration. I won't bother getting into conservation of energy. Respawning asteroids for example. So why you are going on about rl physics idk.

For your third point, you have just described supercapital proliferation and the current state of nulsec. Eve is not balanced.

Instead of a balanced rock-paper-scissors cycle, we have subcaps, caps, and more caps, and more caps, T3s, more super caps, and more, and more, and more of the same.

CCP has regularly invested in inventing more of the super-weapons you have described rather than the final scissors concept. This has in the past resulted in regular turn-over of player organizations until one has finally reached critical mass and can no longer be defeated by outside means.

This leaves us at the place you so ironically described: "back at square one with an entire fake galaxy of pissed off subscribers that can't take the region from you even if it was you vs. everyone else."

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#205 - 2014-02-21 18:01:57 UTC
it's called power creep

short of using a real-life galaxy sized nerf bat to a very large portion of the game, theres not much CCP can do about it

if your saying you want to see power creep removed from the game
your asking for CCP to do a full DB wipe each downtime
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#206 - 2014-02-21 18:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Xython wrote:
That actually makes me wonder - would it crash because of hoarding, inflation, et cetera, or would it crash because the dirty little secret of EVE is that the much lauded Player Based Economy rests entirely on the shoulders of a horde of AFK Bot Miners.
Because of hoarding. The bot miners would not be a factor since they'd run out of stuff to mine almost instantly. If they didn't exist, the exact same thing would happen anyway, a day or two later.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#207 - 2014-02-21 21:07:18 UTC
Saint Dongsmith wrote:
your still wrong


Please learn to troll properly. Study Tippia's posts and then try again.

Bacon makes us stronger
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#208 - 2014-02-21 21:12:39 UTC
Knights Armament wrote:
Mara Denais wrote:
PI does not generate isk. It just moves it around through the playerbase.
If anything, PI is an isk-sink.

Bounties on npc's generate new isk.


I'd love to hear your opinions on how passively obtaining resources that can be sold to players for profit isn't isk generation, t


You are literally


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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#209 - 2014-02-21 21:32:32 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
Knights Armament wrote:
Mara Denais wrote:
PI does not generate isk. It just moves it around through the playerbase.
If anything, PI is an isk-sink.

Bounties on npc's generate new isk.


I'd love to hear your opinions on how passively obtaining resources that can be sold to players for profit isn't isk generation, t


You are literally


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Lets be fair here. Mara's response was ******* pointless since the OP was talking about income in general and NOT isk-generation vs isk-destruction. The OP did say "inflation" once but I think he was talking about the inflation of net worth by any metric rather than specifically currency inflation.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2014-02-21 21:43:48 UTC
Xython wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Quote:
We'd also make it so resources run out, and in order to generate new resources you have to explore more space, once you mine a moon for 100 years the moon minerals shouldn't respawn when server comes up.
Again, it's been tried. It doesn't work. What you describe leads to one thing: hoarding, inflation, and economic collapse.

Games that have tried that model have all been forced to abandon it for a faucet-sink system.


That actually makes me wonder - would it crash because of hoarding, inflation, et cetera, or would it crash because the dirty little secret of EVE is that the much lauded Player Based Economy rests entirely on the shoulders of a horde of AFK Bot Miners.

When CCP finally adds a minigame to mining (It's definitely coming, the hacking game was a test) you're going to see some serious shakeups in mineral prices.

If there was no change in scarcity and a minigame added, wouldn't the mineral influx just skew more towards bots?
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#211 - 2014-02-21 23:17:28 UTC
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