Crime & Punishment

Danalee, I promised you I would find that gevlon quote. From http://greedygoblin.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/preventing-all-corp-thefts.html :


"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand "I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or "I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations."
Rest in peace, Margaret Thatcher

The way I see this;
Marmites win. They get their same wars AND get paid.
RvB wins. They get more things to shoot, for free.
Goons win. They keep their POCOs.
Gevlon, you might even win at this, because you get the attention you seem to crave.

Oh how I wish Gevlon would post here:

It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against Goonswarm… Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason. I could say more on this but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. I will make the precarious assumption that outside of this pointless propaganda posting that you are a sensible and reasonable person.

It's your new alliance members which I feel sorry for. They appear to be fighting your personal vendetta against Goonswarm… Which has now suddenly shifted to RvB for some nonsensical reason...

Manny moons, that's actually spoken as a true RVB player, **** politics and enjoy yourself with some PVP... Wait, you are in Lemmings Even better, they don't lie about their "mission" than.

Apparently "real" PvP is a rarity in EVE. When I was a ganker, I was told ganking was not PvP. Now I learn that fights on gates and stations are not PvP. When I watch streams of nullsec battles at 10% TiDi, they don't seem much like PvP to me. Off-grid-boosters. Blops. Neutral reps. Awoxes & safaris. Shooting structures. Shooting blues. Shooting newbies. ECM. Market PvP. Why is everyone doing stuff that doesn't qualify as "real" PvP? Someday I hope to learn what real PvP is like, but until then I guess I'll dabble with all the other things that seem to be so popular.

Since you seem to be knowledgeable on the subject, exactly how far from a station or gate does PvP transition from "not real" to "real"?

And how much less boring is it to sit waiting right beside someone who is sitting and waiting?

If I am to "fight" war targets in highsec, where else would I look for them? I can't engage them inside stations, nor in warp between stations and gates. That primarily leaves the station docks and the gates. I'm assuming they generally won't be mining or missioning while at war, and won't usually be hanging around pocos except when timers force them to show up en masse. Assuming they don't want to "duel at the sun," in which case a war dec would have been unnecessary, where would you expect "fights" to happen? And as far as camping goes, the likelihood of meeting war targets at a gate or station is somewhat small unless one or the other of us is lingering there.

So please, educate me, if you have the time. Take a break from your gig as critic and show me a better way.

Clearly you know an awful lot about me. Not exactly the answers I hoped for, but as my Dad used to say to his bankers, "You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip."