Ships & Modules

yep drake is fine the other caldari ships should be buffed to it , same with gallente

Mfume Apocal still fails ... is your op rusty ships dont give confidence anymore?:( poor matard

This is an extremely stupid post. We have repeatedly been down the path of showing that Minmatar DPS isn't all that spectacular, and neither is the tank. There's a sweet spot that Minmatar occupies perhaps too much of, but claiming that you die horribly for not flying "Winmatar" is just utter hogwash.

Stop being melodramatic about it - if there's a game imbalance its quite small all things considered.

-Liang

lol, it's bizarre I have more kills in a drake than any other ship across all my accounts, with amarr BS (abaddon) counting for the majority of my BS kills and you lump me in with "matar."

It really is because I'm black, isn't it?

anyway it's DarkAegix's fit, if anyone's. I'd never fit a Minmatar ship for brawling.

I see the problem now. You're arguing with numbers, but not actually providing any, you know, NUMBERS to back it up. Let me show you an example of how we argue while using actual proof to back our claims:
Zealot versus vaga:
For the zealot we'll use the fist fit, swapping the tc/sebo for a web and a WD:
For the vaga, we'll go with the standard 2 LSE 2 damage mods + DC II (the other slots are largely irrelevant since we're not looking at speed or range, this is just a brawling fit)
Raw numbers:
Zealot has 500 DPS with 56k EHP
Vaga has 530 with 29k EHP
After resists on opposing ship are factored in:
Vaga deals 135 DPS with RFPP
Zealot deals 130 with INMF
Meaning:
Zealot takes 223 seconds to kill a vaga
Vaga takes 437 seconds to kill a zealot

Right away you can see the problem. The zealot has twice the dps/EHP fielded even AFTER taking resists into account (and ignoring range, even though the vaga would only be doing that damage at 1.8km, even with 2 TEs).

But what about tracking?
Well, inside 10km it's irrelevant, because our zealot has a web and our vaga does not, because the zealot dictates range/transversal at that point (unless the vaga runs its mwd, in which case it caps out in under a minute)
At 10km+ both ships track each other perfectly. Even if the zealot sits still and the vaga gets a perfect orbit.

And cap usage? The zealot does actually lose out on this, capping out in about a minute and a half (versus the vaga capping out at 4 minutes with the neut running) But then, not being cap dependant and being fast are the 2 big things minmatar have going for them, and complaining about them would be like complaining about amarr having more range and instant ammo swapping.

Zealot ODs the vaga by a mile past the 10km mark, and keeps on ODing it right up until 36km or so, which is outside of point range, and can't be maintained anyway (the vaga caps out quickly running the mwd, an AB zealot never caps out)

I just illustrated why sig radius, tracking, and damage type selection, even after being taken into account, STILL don't make the vaga anywhere near as good at actually FIGHTING than the zealot. See? When you actually look at some of the numbers involved, minmatar don't seem that amazing. It's almost as if they're worse at actually fighting, but make up for it by being able to more easily pick their targets...

This. You don't look at tiers in the battleship line, you look at roles. You compare the apoc to the rokh, for example, despite them being different tiers.
That said, if we do it his way:
Maelstrom:
Highs: 800mm ACs
mids:
point
mwd
em hardener
2 invulns
LSE

3 CDFEs

1100 DPS
111k EHP

Not bad, but it can only apply this damage up to 3,5km, and beyond that it's in falloff. It has about 10% more DPS and 20% less EHP. Picking one over the other is simply a matter of preference, which is fine given that the only BS you can really nano fit is the pest (so the ship in question doesn't really have the target selection abilities of the smaller matari ships) and when it comes to brawling the abaddon blows the pest out of the water.

1)The abaddon gets higher resists, which means that it gets more from RR, which is important.
2)The abaddon has a cap booster and a web of its own. Advantage does go to the pest there, but trading utility for damage + ehp is what minmatar does. Why would anyone fly them if you got rid of one of those advantages?
3)You're in an armor tanked BS, you're not running anywhere in a brawl ;)

You're also ignoring range, another huge advantage for the abaddon, and unlike speed, in medium-large brawls this advantage is actually useful.

Nerf WINgineering!

Nerf WINlectronics!

Buff some people's Core Fitting skills!

Seriously, in my Alliance, the people complaining about not enough grid/CPU are usually the ones who have neglected these (and other) skills.

Lol! Another one. Honestly! Fock it! Nerf Minmatar so we can be done with these constant stream of threads. Why I even look on the forums still is beyond me.

I would like a boost to Caldari ships. Make them all Missile ships. Also, i'd like scorch to be boosted to. Amarr weapons use to much capacitor. Something needs to be done about cruise and siege missiles. The other good caldari battleships are the Scorpion and Rokh. One of which is a turret ship.

Why do 2 races that h8 each other still use the same weapon system? You know! I want more ships to. Maybe we should get rid of super caps and just use regular capitals.

I would like to expand the t1 destroyer class and have more cruisers. What happened to t3 frigates?

500DPS Vaga?

LOL not even overheated, and even then its only 445 DPS from 3km and NO ONE in their right mind is going to willing walk a Vagabond in that close......ever.

Compare your numbers from 23k where you can reasonably expect to find a non-moronic vaga pilot.

nerf Minmatar

I do
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