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dual boxes pve in C4

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noraus
Nuwa Foundation
The Therapists
#1 - 2014-02-20 01:21:30 UTC
Yo folks, We have a fleet for regular time. But I want to just play a little bit more EVE.

my two chars basically cover every kind of ships but with rare overlap. And I can't use missile at all. So guys any suggestions? fitting? thx
Bane Nucleus
Assault and Battery
Transmission Lost
#2 - 2014-02-20 01:26:50 UTC
RR Domis work great for this and they are cheap. Plus sentry drones put out great dps at various ranges, which is great for those far apart spawns in c4 anoms.

No trolling please

noraus
Nuwa Foundation
The Therapists
#3 - 2014-02-20 02:27:09 UTC
nice, working on fitting now.

Is that possible that one domi and one T3?
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#4 - 2014-02-20 03:01:16 UTC
Dual maruaders or sentry carriers or go home.
noraus
Nuwa Foundation
The Therapists
#5 - 2014-02-20 03:09:23 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
Dual maruaders or sentry carriers or go home.


I'll take it as a heartfelt welcome lol. thanks~
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#6 - 2014-02-20 03:34:19 UTC
Watch out, apparently no one on the forums thinks c4s are active & some ppl roll their statics.
noraus
Nuwa Foundation
The Therapists
#7 - 2014-02-20 03:47:33 UTC
you are right. making new friends.
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#8 - 2014-02-20 04:13:11 UTC
I'll drop insured geddons on you & run your sites with impunity.
krazyskillz
If we die it's lag
#9 - 2014-02-20 18:01:19 UTC
You can do it easily in one paladin, can solo even the 2k dps sites in C4.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#10 - 2014-02-21 10:13:06 UTC
Dual tengus or rattler maybe domies but imho you need at least 4 rr domies in C4. Just make tank 1400+ range 100km+ and dps as big as you can.
Peter Moonlight
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-02-21 10:21:55 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
Dual tengus or rattler maybe domies but imho you need at least 4 rr domies in C4. Just make tank 1400+ range 100km+ and dps as big as you can.

4 Domi? I was doing Instrumental and one of the 100% anoms in a C5 with 3..
2 Domi's can do C4's easily, just get T2 sentries to work as intended.
Zapp McDouche
Its a good day to die
#12 - 2014-02-21 10:26:38 UTC
Could Bastion Golem solo with t2 fit? Big smile
noraus
Nuwa Foundation
The Therapists
#13 - 2014-02-21 15:53:53 UTC
thx all for advice
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#14 - 2014-02-21 17:47:04 UTC
You can solo C4s in a cap boosted marauder. Do NOT disconnect though.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#15 - 2014-02-21 19:08:15 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
Watch out, apparently no one on the forums thinks c4s are active & some ppl roll their statics.


It's all relative. A C2 with a hisec static will typically be much more active than a C4 with a C4 static. That said, we have a couple of C4 corporations in our alliance, and they get plenty of pew & ISK :)

I second the suggestion of RR Domis or RR Armageddons. The Domi is clearly the superior of the two for damage application, but RR Geddons boast a little better tank and that extra high is really useful, at the cost of range and tracking. I haven't heard of anybody without a blinged-out fit (read: more than 500M ISK for the fit) duoing C4 data/relic sites, but add a third person to your duo and you'll handle them just fine using fairly typical RR Domis.

Here's a fairly typical sort of fit for RR domis in C4. The pair can easily run C3 anomalies, and if you're fast enough burning down battleships, C3 data/relic sites and C4 anomalies (though it's a bit tight; good tanking skills and overheating ability are pretty much required). You really want to add a 3rd or 4th to this group to run C4 data/relic sites well, and have a good anchor who knows where he's going. Note it's not cap-stable running all three reppers. The one getting the aggro overheats his remote cap transmitters to the guy giving him the reps, and the guy giving the reps overheats the reppers as needed. Works fine, but a little challenging until you work out the kinks. Practice in a C3 first.

[Dominix, C3/C4 RR Domi]

Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Sensor Booster II

Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Drone Control Range Augmentor II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
Large Egress Port Maximizer II


Garde II x5
Warrior II x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Bouncer II x5

From my point of view, for a duo this works, a trio is OK, but once I have a fleet of four I start thinking about dedicated logistics!
Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment
#16 - 2014-02-21 23:53:36 UTC
I don't think 2 of this Domis can handle 3 Sleepless Upholder in a Frontier Barracks.

3 Sleepless Upholder doing 1326 DPS and and the cap drain is 30Gj/s + the 2 Awakened Preserver in that wave.
2 of this Domis can only Tank 922 DPS for a while without cap drain.

I am not sure if you can take out the first Upholder before you getting in real trouble
Peter Moonlight
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-02-22 01:22:41 UTC
Rall Mekin wrote:
You can solo C4s in a cap boosted marauder. Do NOT disconnect though.

You can do it without it as well as C5, without cap boosters. You have the fit on the forums and video on youtube, and i've done it also so it's quite possible, Golem/Vargur are doing C4's easy mode, and C5's also are easy just don't DC as you said, CCC it 4 the win.
TXG SYNC
Dad Jokes R Us
#18 - 2014-02-22 01:37:10 UTC
Mixery82 wrote:
I don't think 2 of this Domis can handle 3 Sleepless Upholder in a Frontier Barracks.


Works for me in practice, but I'll provide a little theorycraft below to reassure you. I will suggest that the party being neuted typically has very, very little to worry about for capacitor here because they're typically running cap transfers, and not reps.

A Sleepless Upholder has in the neighborhood of about 56,000EHP. Assume the skills on these Domis are kind of crappy, and they do 500DPS apiece, or 1000DPS together. It takes them about one minute to burn down a battleship. Each cruiser is burned down much faster, but let's say all told it takes them maybe 70-80 seconds to burn down the first two cruisers and the first battleship from that wave.

During that time, the incoming DPS went from about 1400 to about 1100 after the first two cruisers drop, then down to about 800 or so after the first battleship drops. That means for the first 10-15 seconds the Domis are tanking 1400 DPS and repping around 900, for about 500 incoming DPS (7500EHP damage taken so far). The next 10-15 seconds they are tanking around 1250, minus reps once again, so about 350 incoming DPS (12,750EHP damage taken so far), then for around a minute a Domi is tanking the 1100DPS until that Battleship is burned down, -900 reps, so about 200DPS un-repaired (another 12,000 EHP gone, combined with the earlier damage taking a total of about 45,000EHP total damage).

Each Domi has about 55,000+ EHP in armor alone. Plus nothing in this wave warp scrambles, so if you really get into trouble for some reason... warp out.

The fit works just fine. As long as you're not asleep and don't blow your triggers.

The more common kind of fit that relies a bit heavier on this buffer to tank the heavy waves is below; it's a fairly common RR domi standard with pretty extreme neut resistance. With about 70,000 EHP in armor, it tanks the wave easily, and is more time-tested than the one I provided above which I've only run on Sisi. The fit below "only" tanks about 650DPS, meaning in our example above it's down to about 30% armor by the time the first BS is down and your tank stabilizes in that wave if the rep partner doesn't overheat.

In practice, Sleeper aggro switching and drone aggro means that it's extremely unlikely either of you drops below 50% armor as a pair.

[Dominix, C5 RR Domi]

Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Explosive Hardener II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script

Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II

Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Egress Port Maximizer I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Bouncer II x5
Garde II x5
Hammerhead II x5

(extra drones to taste)

As always, scan out an appropriate wormhole on Sisi and go fly the fit there. Cheap, easy to see what works and what doesn't... and a pair of RR domis fit this way or a bit more optimized as I posted a few posts above both work just fine for C4 anomalies (and in larger gangs, C5 and C6!). The latter fit is a bit tougher to test on Sisi due to the faction EANMs, and it's more likely you'll enter structure if you're just using EANM2's.

Please go try it out before you tell me again that what I've tested as working doesn't work :-)
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#19 - 2014-02-22 20:10:02 UTC
Why armor for pve? Sheild rr is better.
Ghenghis Kralj
POS Party
Ember Sands
#20 - 2014-02-24 18:05:40 UTC
armor mainly because the domi gets pretty sweet sentry bonuses and is relatively cheap. you can do a similar concept with something like rattlesnakes, gilas, or tengus, but your price tag shoots up.

meanwhile the domi set can cost you about 400-600 million depending on fit whereas the others are usually 1+ billion per set.
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