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Looking for a daytripping laser fit

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Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-02-18 09:01:46 UTC
My corp has got into daytripping into wormholes and I've found that the drake fit the rest of them are using is really boring to fly. I'd prefer to fly a laser ship. Or, if laser ships aren't suitable, something with turrets.

Does anyone have any fits ?
Preferably a fit that can solo C2s

I've got the skills for all the T1 cruisers and BCs, along with amarr HACs.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#2 - 2014-02-18 09:21:24 UTC
I believe a dual-rep Harbinger can do them, but the Drake is still more efficient at it I believe. Pulse or Beam lasers doesn't make too much of a dps difference now, though Pulse is of course easier to fit.

I tried using one when I first started doing C2's, but it felt rather slow to me so I swapped it out. Don't have the fit anymore though.
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#3 - 2014-02-18 11:53:51 UTC
I've tried a passive shield hurricane and it did ok.

Hurricane

6x 425mm AutoCannons II
1x Medium 'Knave' Energy Drain

Experimental 10mn AB
2x Large Shield Extenders II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

3x Shield Power Relays
Damage Control II
2x Gyros II

Em resist rig and two shield regen riggs.

It can handle all C1 anoms, had some hard time doing C2 anoms where I got webbed but it's doable. Just load barrage and keep hail in hold for BS sleepers. Tip though to try out any fit - run it on test server so you know it works. And bring probes and mobile depot.

Get on Comms, or die typing.

Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2014-02-18 16:41:47 UTC
[Harbinger, C2s]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Core Probe Launcher II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

I used this fit to do C2 WHs for ages, it's solid and can beat Drake at efficiency with some proper piloting. You have to know where the spawns are, switch ammo, pop frigs at range, tank is a little light so you need to get under the BS guns asap but it does 660dps against the BS.
Orlacc
#5 - 2014-02-18 17:12:54 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
[Harbinger, C2s]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Core Probe Launcher II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

I used this fit to do C2 WHs for ages, it's solid and can beat Drake at efficiency with some proper piloting. You have to know where the spawns are, switch ammo, pop frigs at range, tank is a little light so you need to get under the BS guns asap but it does 660dps against the BS.



This

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#6 - 2014-02-18 20:31:18 UTC
Remember to bring a mobile depot so you can refit if the need is there (if you're completely solo then maybe bring some tractor beams/salvagers).
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-02-18 22:04:02 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
[Harbinger, C2s]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Core Probe Launcher II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

I used this fit to do C2 WHs for ages, it's solid and can beat Drake at efficiency with some proper piloting. You have to know where the spawns are, switch ammo, pop frigs at range, tank is a little light so you need to get under the BS guns asap but it does 660dps against the BS.


Which other crystals should I carry with me ?
Scorch seems obvious. But I'm wondering about others.

When getting under the BS guns, should I orbit at optimal or do I need to get in closer ?

This is the second WH fit I've come across that doesn't plug the armor/shield resist hole. The other fit was a dual tanked fit on battleclinic. I'm wondering if swapping a CCC for an explosive resist rig would be a good idea or not.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#8 - 2014-02-18 23:46:35 UTC
The Harbinger is very good for C2s, have in mind that you can also use a dual rep Brutix or a passive Ferox for the job if you have skills in rails.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-02-19 02:28:01 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
The Harbinger is very good for C2s, have in mind that you can also use a dual rep Brutix or a passive Ferox for the job if you have skills in rails.

Being a passive fit is part of the reason the Drake is so boring to fly.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2014-02-19 06:30:19 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
[Harbinger, C2s]

Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
Core Probe Launcher II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

I used this fit to do C2 WHs for ages, it's solid and can beat Drake at efficiency with some proper piloting. You have to know where the spawns are, switch ammo, pop frigs at range, tank is a little light so you need to get under the BS guns asap but it does 660dps against the BS.


Which other crystals should I carry with me ?
Scorch seems obvious. But I'm wondering about others.

When getting under the BS guns, should I orbit at optimal or do I need to get in closer ?

This is the second WH fit I've come across that doesn't plug the armor/shield resist hole. The other fit was a dual tanked fit on battleclinic. I'm wondering if swapping a CCC for an explosive resist rig would be a good idea or not.


2 sets of Scorch and Conflag, 1 set of IN Multi will be all you need, the IN Multi will probably last longer than the ship, but you'd need to replace the Scorch and Conflag periodically.

For getting under the guns of the BS, you can orbit at conflag optimal (6500m IIRC) with your afterburner turned on, but I remember needing to manually set my speed slightly lower than maximum in order to get solid hits from my guns with Conflag, the BS will still be unable to hit though, they generally have terrible tracking up close.

Finally, for the explosive hole, Amarr ships generally have quite an even resist profile compared to Gallente so the explosive hole isn't so bad, there's also no room for an explosive hardener, if you switch an EANM you lose overall omnitank, if you switch a heatsink your dps is terrible, and if you switch a rig you'll get cap problems against the one BS that neuts in that one C2. Overall the tank is fine as is, but you can't hold out forever against the high dps spawns without orbiting the BS, but your tank wont break immediately, you have a good couple of minutes to burn into range of the BS.

Also please dont use dual tanked fits from BC for the love of god.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-02-20 09:17:21 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
2 sets of Scorch and Conflag, 1 set of IN Multi will be all you need, the IN Multi will probably last longer than the ship, but you'd need to replace the Scorch and Conflag periodically


Which crystals for which targets ?

Quote:
Also please dont use dual tanked fits from BC for the love of god.

Oh, it's worse than that. In the comments on the fit a moderator mentioned locking something until the fit was updated. The dual-tanked fit was the updated version.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#12 - 2014-02-20 12:29:23 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
2 sets of Scorch and Conflag, 1 set of IN Multi will be all you need, the IN Multi will probably last longer than the ship, but you'd need to replace the Scorch and Conflag periodically


Which crystals for which targets ?

Quote:
Also please dont use dual tanked fits from BC for the love of god.

Oh, it's worse than that. In the comments on the fit a moderator mentioned locking something until the fit was updated. The dual-tanked fit was the updated version.


You use Scorch if something is further than 10k from you, you can get really good hits on approaching frigs with Scorch and sometimes blap em or weaken them for your light drones to clean up. The choice between Conflag and IN Multi depends on the situation, but I've found that with some good piloting you can do full damage to the cruisers with Conflag so I generally used Conflag for BS and Cruisers. IN Multi is there for some close-range ammo with good tracking, the frigs will establish orbit speed and as you burn away you can pop them once they're outta their optimal and try burning back to you.
SghnDubh
BattleClinic
#13 - 2014-02-20 14:15:13 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:

[quote]Also please dont use dual tanked fits from BC for the love of god.

Oh, it's worse than that. In the comments on the fit a moderator mentioned locking something until the fit was updated. The dual-tanked fit was the updated version.


We'd love to have you contribute your thoughts on superior loadouts. Your voice is missed.

OP, the purpose of BC's loadout section is to get feedback on loadouts. The value of any loadout is in the discussion relative to the fit's role and it's capabilities.
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-02-20 19:15:19 UTC
SghnDubh wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:

[quote]Also please dont use dual tanked fits from BC for the love of god.

Oh, it's worse than that. In the comments on the fit a moderator mentioned locking something until the fit was updated. The dual-tanked fit was the updated version.


We'd love to have you contribute your thoughts on superior loadouts. Your voice is missed.

OP, the purpose of BC's loadout section is to get feedback on loadouts. The value of any loadout is in the discussion relative to the fit's role and it's capabilities.


I'm no good at fits. I can merely recognise very obvious problems. Like this fit with a dual tank:
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
2x Adaptive Nano Plating II
Medium Armor Repairer I

I also note that this fit is currently rated 0. Which means either there is a good reason for it, which I'd like to hear, or the voting system doesn't have enough people using it to be reliable because people aren't voting down dual tanked fits. Which means it's not going to be able to provide anything useful for me, so it's not worth my time to even register an account there.
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#15 - 2014-02-20 19:28:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Hesod Adee wrote:
SghnDubh wrote:
Hesod Adee wrote:
[quote=Dato Koppla]
[quote]Also please dont use dual tanked fits from BC for the love of god.

Oh, it's worse than that. In the comments on the fit a moderator mentioned locking something until the fit was updated. The dual-tanked fit was the updated version.


I also note that this fit is currently rated 0. Which means either there is a good reason for it, which I'd like to hear, or the voting system doesn't have enough people using it to be reliable because people aren't voting down dual tanked fits. Which means it's not going to be able to provide anything useful for me, so it's not worth my time to even register an account there.


The reason that fit has 0 negative votes is pretty simple. When it was posted, it had a faction gun, large rigs, meta0 modules, and no description. A moderator duly locked it so that the OP can make changes and complete his entry. By the time the guy actually made those (and the thread was unlocked), it had fallen to the second or third page in the loadouts section so noone saw it or bothered to -1 it.

People that don't understand how to search BC or how to use it properly for feedback tend to also think the loadouts posted there are rubbish. Its a common thing.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#16 - 2014-02-21 14:24:03 UTC
Harbis are almost made to order for daytripping in low level WHs. This is the slowboat version, designed to be used with an MTU for the looting and salvaging. Warriors are to keep up with the high MWD speed of sleeper frigates, and Hammers to pound the cruisers.

[Harbinger, C2 Harbi]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Salvager II

Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-02-23 00:00:53 UTC
Bertrand Butler wrote:
The reason that fit has 0 negative votes is pretty simple. When it was posted, it had a faction gun, large rigs, meta0 modules, and no description. A moderator duly locked it so that the OP can make changes and complete his entry. By the time the guy actually made those (and the thread was unlocked), it had fallen to the second or third page in the loadouts section so noone saw it or bothered to -1 it.


That makes the problem sound worse than I thought. I thought the cause of the problem was that the community was simply too small for voting to be effective. Instead you're saying the moderator is to blame. With some blame being shared by whoever decided that fits don't get bumped to page 1 when they get edited.

Quote:
People that don't understand how to search BC or how to use it properly for feedback tend to also think the loadouts posted there are rubbish. Its a common thing.

So how does one properly search BC ?

Lets take looking for a Harbinger WH fit as an example. Looking at the list of fits within Evemon. I see two fits labelled for use in wormholes. One is the dual tanked fit mentioned above. The only other WH fit, which is also rated 0, doesn't come with a probe launcher.

Is Evemon hiding the decent WH Harbinger fits, or do they simply not exist on BC ?
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2014-02-23 02:25:48 UTC
Hesod Adee wrote:
Bertrand Butler wrote:
The reason that fit has 0 negative votes is pretty simple. When it was posted, it had a faction gun, large rigs, meta0 modules, and no description. A moderator duly locked it so that the OP can make changes and complete his entry. By the time the guy actually made those (and the thread was unlocked), it had fallen to the second or third page in the loadouts section so noone saw it or bothered to -1 it.


That makes the problem sound worse than I thought. I thought the cause of the problem was that the community was simply too small for voting to be effective. Instead you're saying the moderator is to blame. With some blame being shared by whoever decided that fits don't get bumped to page 1 when they get edited.

Quote:
People that don't understand how to search BC or how to use it properly for feedback tend to also think the loadouts posted there are rubbish. Its a common thing.

So how does one properly search BC ?

Lets take looking for a Harbinger WH fit as an example. Looking at the list of fits within Evemon. I see two fits labelled for use in wormholes. One is the dual tanked fit mentioned above. The only other WH fit, which is also rated 0, doesn't come with a probe launcher.

Is Evemon hiding the decent WH Harbinger fits, or do they simply not exist on BC ?



RR over probe launcher for daytripping?

more like day trapping >.>


also buffer fit? riiigghhtttttt

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#19 - 2014-02-23 04:22:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Hesod Adee wrote:
That makes the problem sound worse than I thought. I thought the cause of the problem was that the community was simply too small for voting to be effective. Instead you're saying the moderator is to blame. With some blame being shared by whoever decided that fits don't get bumped to page 1 when they get edited.


No, the moderator did the right thing. First she locked the loadout so that it can be finished properly by the OP, and then re-opened it, thus automatically bumping it in the top of the stack (when browsing loadouts with the Date: Recently discussed order tag.

Quote:

So how does one properly search BC ?

Lets take looking for a Harbinger WH fit as an example. Looking at the list of fits within Evemon. I see two fits labelled for use in wormholes. One is the dual tanked fit mentioned above. The only other WH fit, which is also rated 0, doesn't come with a probe launcher.

Is Evemon hiding the decent WH Harbinger fits, or do they simply not exist on BC ?


Here is how you search BC

1. You go to the loadout browser and type in the ship in the search field
2. Apply the tags you want to look for.

For example, by doing the above you will find 13 WH fits for the harbinger.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php?types=24696&tags=29&build=historical&mode=date&page=1

Also, a good place to start for many hulls would be to take a look at the best rated fits for it. You can find those (together with usage stats, and the latest fits pulled from killboards) in each hulls respective page. Here is the page for the Harbi
http://eve.battleclinic.com/item_database.php?id=i24696

Depending on the ship, the application and the niche you may or may NOT find what you are looking for. Loadouts are posted by EvE players, not by the site itself, and changes/re-balances in a hull may make a loadout posted some years ago impossible to fit, or obsolete, redundant.