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Iskur or Ishtar?
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Zach Rostock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-02-19 20:17:39 UTC
Hi!

I'm new Gallente Pilot and I'm interested to fight with drones, and for a long term I'm interested to be using Ishkur/Ishtar.
The question is, should i go straight train my skills to fly an Ishtar, or should I learn how to fly Ishkur first?
derrjuden
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#2 - 2014-02-19 20:24:50 UTC
Both have their uses but the Ishtar will run everything from lvl 1 DED sites to lvl 4s.
With high skills an 800 dps ishtar is easily achievable.


Ishtar ishtar ishtar....

It also makes a mean mean PVP boat.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2014-02-19 20:32:22 UTC
derrjuden wrote:
Both have their uses but the Ishtar will run everything from lvl 1 DED sites to lvl 4s.
With high skills an 800 dps ishtar is easily achievable.


Ishtar ishtar ishtar....

It also makes a mean mean PVP boat.


Ishtar, yes, but it can't do DED 1/10s or 2/10s due to gate restrictions. So that's not exactly right.

They're both worth having, and frankly an Ishkur isn't much of a side train. You need good support skills for the Ishtar (along with great drone skills) and having an Ishkur along the way is a nice option.
Zach Rostock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-02-19 20:37:58 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
derrjuden wrote:
Both have their uses but the Ishtar will run everything from lvl 1 DED sites to lvl 4s.
With high skills an 800 dps ishtar is easily achievable.


Ishtar ishtar ishtar....

It also makes a mean mean PVP boat.


Ishtar, yes, but it can't do DED 1/10s or 2/10s due to gate restrictions. So that's not exactly right.

They're both worth having, and frankly an Ishkur isn't much of a side train. You need good support skills for the Ishtar (along with great drone skills) and having an Ishkur along the way is a nice option.



Yeah, Ishtar is much suitable for many things, so I should go train for an Ishkur first than along the way an Ishtar?
Frank Millar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-02-19 20:49:45 UTC
I hope you realize an Ishkur is an Assault Frigate and as such a relatively shorter train than an Ishtar, which is a Heavy Assault Cruiser?

So yes, of those two Ishkur first. Although it would probably be wise to really start off the drone-boating with a Tristan.
Zach Rostock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-02-19 21:00:03 UTC
Frank Millar wrote:
I hope you realize an Ishkur is an Assault Frigate and as such a relatively shorter train than an Ishtar, which is a Heavy Assault Cruiser?

So yes, of those two Ishkur first. Although it would probably be wise to really start off the drone-boating with a Tristan.


Yes i do realise its an Assault Frigate.
Yeah, i've doing drone-boating with Tristan for a while now I'm moving to Algos.
Ginger Barbarella
#7 - 2014-02-19 22:38:01 UTC
Zach Rostock wrote:
Hi!

I'm new Gallente Pilot and I'm interested to fight with drones, and for a long term I'm interested to be using Ishkur/Ishtar.
The question is, should i go straight train my skills to fly an Ishtar, or should I learn how to fly Ishkur first?




Both. Get into the Ishkur while you get your Sentry skills up to T2, and slide into the Ishtar with your tactics ready for the good kills. Smile

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#8 - 2014-02-20 01:43:32 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
derrjuden wrote:
Both have their uses but the Ishtar will run everything from lvl 1 DED sites to lvl 4s.
With high skills an 800 dps ishtar is easily achievable.


Ishtar ishtar ishtar....

It also makes a mean mean PVP boat.


Ishtar, yes, but it can't do DED 1/10s or 2/10s due to gate restrictions. So that's not exactly right.

They're both worth having, and frankly an Ishkur isn't much of a side train. You need good support skills for the Ishtar (along with great drone skills) and having an Ishkur along the way is a nice option.


Ishkur can actually run DED 1-4/10 for Guristas solo easily, in a PvP fit as well. However taking down the telescope in the 4/10 solo will take ages so it's not really optimal, but doable. In fact, I've even done Guristas 4/10 DED with a Tristan solo successfully, it's really easy to tank with some afterburner speed tanking. Using an Ishkur to run these sites in lowsec is very nice as you can be PvP fit and ready to take on others trying to do the site as well.
Zach Rostock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-02-20 04:19:33 UTC
Thank you so much guys for the reply, I'm gonna work on Ishkur first!

Thank you once again :D
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-02-20 08:47:53 UTC
Dont go ishkur, its nice and all but its one of the wrost afs and its price is (like all afs) way to high for its performance. Go vexor > (vexor navy) > Ishtar.
Bea Love
Antiqua Vero
The Ancients.
#11 - 2014-02-20 10:13:40 UTC
I believe that the Training for the Ishkur / Ishtar is one of the longest for beeing able to fight in AF or HAC. You have to master the T2 Weapons + Drones together. But if you want to fly Gallente i recommend to get an Ishkur first and then train for an Ishtar.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2014-02-20 15:17:38 UTC
ishkur has two uses. Doing low level pve, doing higher level pve extremely slowly, and PVP.

PVP aside, the only reason to have an ishkur is to do level 1-2 missions, and to do 1/10 and 2/10 DEDs. That said, training for an ishkur is by no means wasted SP. T2 frigs and t2 small guns are good to have. But if all you want is to make isk, then get a navy vexor and drone skills and start doing those lvl 3 missions and 3/10s and 4/10s, and then train straight for an ishtar.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Ginger Barbarella
#13 - 2014-02-20 18:18:13 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Ishkur can actually run DED 1-4/10 for Guristas solo easily, in a PvP fit as well ... In fact, I've even done Guristas 4/10 DED with a Tristan solo successfully


Sorry, dude, I don't buy it for a second. I've run more than a few 4/10's that would DESTROY a NORMAL (ie, non-officer, non-Deadspace fit) AF that didn't run for the hills every 10 seconds. Say all you like, I don't buy it.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-02-20 22:04:20 UTC
One time bump to fix forum.
Zach Rostock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-02-21 12:45:47 UTC
Interesting,

Another bump to see how anyone else opinion.

Btw, thanks all for the reply.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#16 - 2014-02-21 12:57:08 UTC
Vexor > Vexor Navy > Ishtar > Dominix

Not today spaghetti.
Skurja Volpar
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#17 - 2014-02-21 13:04:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Skurja Volpar
Well the core skills for both are pretty similar, so both is not out of the question at all in the long run. But maybe, train those drone skills first and have some fun in tristans and vexors to get a feel. They might both be drones boats, but AFs and HACs are totally different beasts.

That said, the Ishtar is a ship that will serve you long into your eve career in both PVP and PVE, while the ishkur will probably always remain a fun toy.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-02-21 13:37:02 UTC
You will want to train the AF skill anyway. Be it for the enyo, vengeance, maybe the harpy. Training frig skills to V is a good use of sp and won't take long. The cruiser V is a bit more intensive as well as t2 drones (especially sentries/heavies) and t2 med guns.

My advice would be to cross train a few frigs and cruisers to play with while you're getting those core/support skills in that will make a HAC worth flying. A low skill HAC is a dead HAC.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2014-02-21 16:06:28 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
You will want to train the AF skill anyway. Be it for the enyo, vengeance, maybe the harpy. Training frig skills to V is a good use of sp and won't take long. The cruiser V is a bit more intensive as well as t2 drones (especially sentries/heavies) and t2 med guns.

My advice would be to cross train a few frigs and cruisers to play with while you're getting those core/support skills in that will make a HAC worth flying. A low skill HAC is a dead HAC.


Confirming that frig 5 in at least one race is mandatory for any eve pilot, even non-combat ones. Even if only for covops and ceptors. The Ishtar does love its core support skills, particularly the HP ones. It requires less than average fittings skills, and far greater than average weapon skills because of drones. However, don't feel like you need to wait until you have all those level 5 drone skills (t2 sentries, interfacing 5..) to use an ishtar. Those ship bonuses kick in immediately. But definitely have your armor and rigging skills in a good place before you jump into one.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#20 - 2014-02-21 16:08:46 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Ishkur can actually run DED 1-4/10 for Guristas solo easily, in a PvP fit as well ... In fact, I've even done Guristas 4/10 DED with a Tristan solo successfully


Sorry, dude, I don't buy it for a second. I've run more than a few 4/10's that would DESTROY a NORMAL (ie, non-officer, non-Deadspace fit) AF that didn't run for the hills every 10 seconds. Say all you like, I don't buy it.


...Alright dude, I don't need you to believe me, but I've done it before, only the Guristas 4/10, the other factions 4/10s are much more diffiicult than Guristas, it's dicey in a Tristan, but very easy in an Ishkur. Unless of course you have no idea how to actually fly ships and just sit at 0 in the middle of the room. I didn't have to warp out at all with either fit too.
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