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Need better isk faucets in 0.0

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-02-17 19:18:36 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Guillaume Conquerant wrote:
Maybe I'm doing things wrong .... but given that I'm able to make around ~100M isk/hr in High Sec L4's and only around 120M isk/hr in 0.0 (running FHs) something doesn't add up given the risks.

Personally, I think CCP has hit 0.0 PVE income with the nerf bat a little too hard.

CCP - Please re-look at 0.0 and the risk vs reward and skill/isk investment vs return for 0.0 activities. Please consider the progression within 0.0 and compared to HS.






I think it should be nerfed to max 30 mil/hr in Highsec and max 60 mil/hr in nullsec.



I can pull 400m an hour in WH's.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#22 - 2014-02-17 19:19:39 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:


I think you should rephrase this with a bit more hyperbole.


Fair to say. Just worried about the little guy.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#23 - 2014-02-17 19:20:11 UTC
BuckStrider wrote:
I feel this thread is lacking some faith.



Give it a while, it will magically appear like most other threads these days.
Guillaume Conquerant
#24 - 2014-02-17 19:32:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Guillaume Conquerant
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Guillaume Conquerant
#25 - 2014-02-17 19:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Guillaume Conquerant
Kimmi Chan wrote:
If you have an idea you should put it in F&I. If you would like something formally introduced or voiced to CCP you can also try the CSM forums.

Otherwise this thread lacks any real content and will amount to nothing but trolling. Just like the last one that was locked for the same reason.

At least throw out a potential solution so the ideas can be argued.


Well, you're suggestion is pretty good:

Kimmi Chan wrote:

Add LP as part of the reward structure to increase income from Null Anoms and dilute the market of LP goods in high sec. Use the additional ISK pouring into the LP store sink to increase bounties in Null to compensate and prevent ISK scarcity and/or deflation.



When just viewing Anoms (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cosmic_Anomaly#Difficulty) , the peak isk/hr is generally at the Forsake Hubs for most folks. Havens and Sanctums lack enough sufficient rewards to compensate for their extra time to run thereby nerfing their comparative isk/hr.

A couple of things you could do for Havens & Sanctums - increase the number of BSs and decrease the number of frigate per spawn, increase the probability of the faction/officer spawns, increased ESS LP. Of course, these numbers will need to be tweeked to ensure the appropriate gradient.

Ideally, the number of BSs in a Sactum wave (all waves or just a few) is such that you're probably not able to run them with less than 3 people.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#26 - 2014-02-17 19:35:44 UTC
No, we need worse isk faucets in hisec.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2014-02-17 19:37:46 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
OP compares null sec anoms with high sec L4 missions. I hate shooting rats and avoid it like the plague, but even I can see there's something fundamentally wrong in this comparison.
Really? What's that?
Guillaume Conquerant
#28 - 2014-02-17 19:39:57 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:

There needs to be a massive reduction in available ISK from all PASSIVE sources.


^^ There, I fixed that for you.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#29 - 2014-02-17 19:40:50 UTC
ANY activity in null is already around 100%-500% order of magnitude in respect of their equivalent in low-sec (go figure in repsect to HS). And not considering now the specific null-sec only faucets and the demographic allowing an indecent resources/population ratio.

I can jump from low to null in cov ops and gather 200m/hours simply with relic/data sites.

What is relevant in these thread is to see how HS carebears and null bears ask exactly the same stuff: more free isk faucets (as the goal and base measuring unit of the game was collecting ISK) and perfect safety ("please remove intercpetors and cloacking") to farm.

This is the result of null-sec carebearization caused by Dominion expansion.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#30 - 2014-02-17 19:43:17 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
No, we need worse isk faucets in hisec.


* Liquid ISK 44M per hour
* Salvage ISK 9M per hour
* Loot ISK 20.4M per hour
* Ammo Costs -2.8M per hour
* Other Expenses -0.2M per hour
* Total Assets 70.3M per hour

Worse than 44 miilion ISK/hr faucets?

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Josef Djugashvilis
#31 - 2014-02-17 19:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Jeez. not this again.

Dear OP, one of these interminable threads has recently been locked, use the search function and you can read the 100+ pages.

This is not a signature.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#32 - 2014-02-17 19:46:47 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jeez. not this again.

Dear OP one of these interminable threads has recently been locked, use the search function and you can read the 100+ pages.


They're locked without resolution. There is no agreement and no discussion. It's just a bunch of back and forth incendiary crap. It would be folly to think this will result in anything different but here's to hoping.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2014-02-17 19:46:49 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Worse than 44 miilion ISK/hr faucets?
Yes.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#34 - 2014-02-17 19:49:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Worse than 44 miilion ISK/hr faucets?
Yes.


Elaborate Tippia. How much less?

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#35 - 2014-02-17 19:49:08 UTC
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Guillaume Conquerant
#36 - 2014-02-17 19:49:08 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:

I can jump from low to null in cov ops and gather 200m/hours simply with relic/data sites.

What is relevant in these thread is to see how HS carebears and null bears ask exactly the same stuff: more free isk faucets (as the goal and base measuring unit of the game was collecting ISK) and perfect safety ("please remove intercpetors and cloacking") to farm.


Ok, so like I said - maybe I'm doing something wrong and need to look into relic/data sites to fund my pvp.

But lets tone down the rhetoric, mmkay? I'm not asking for free isk faucets - I'm asking for isk faucets that are commensurate with the obligations, investments, and risks associated with 0.0 when compared to similar activities in highsec. Also, I'm asking for a graduated scale for anoms for difficulty, isk/hr payout, and isk/skill investment.
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