Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No. Don't change the game, adapt to it.

First off, features and ideas is the proper place for this post, not GD.

Second, ECM is fine, you can fit ECCM or be smart enough to send drones on the ECM boat before you get jammed, they won't hang around with a flight of drones on them. As with any activity in EVE your survival depends on your time invested prior to the activity. Check your low sec jump plan against ship/pod kills, search killboards for involved ships in those kills, and fit to counter them or avoid said systems. A change like you suggest simply dumbs down even more one of the few games on the market that make you think and give consequences to your actions.

Then it should probably be in the forum section meant for positive constructive discussion of features and ideas.

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Not necessarily, I've been on a few camps where the goal was to chill on comms, kill stuff and see if a particular pvp corp in system would come fight us (they did, twice :D) but admittedly most gatecamps are just looking for easy kills.

Thx for the comment, though I cannot make any sound-sense of what you wrote?? Do you yourself even exactly understand what you wrote? Maybe you are a new player? Just guessing. No disrespect meant. For instance: the game is by no means dumbed-down by disabling sensor-ecm in radius 150 KM of a low-sec gate. A game would be dumbing-down when one is allowed to shoot at anyone without the others being able to shoot back at you. Maybe, take some time and "REALY" read what I have written, try to "REALY" understand...and then you will realize that "yr mentioning of dumbing down" fades away very fast.

Thx for yr kind effort though.

Funny, ok. But take this: 3 cruisers + 1x HAC + support vs. BC (with high defence + drones + firepower)...then the fun comes. And yes of course, one looses his ship for sure a 100%, but give the "lone ship" at least the possibility to shoot back. Such would present much more fun & in fact would take away lots of "dumbing down" on the side of the gate-gang (they CAN BE SHOT AT! OHHH MY GODDDD!!!!...AINT THAT SHOCKING???) I myself would try to give some volleys before being destructed, FUN!

Look, any situation of course is different & in all cases the incoming ship will be destroyed eventually & relatively fast. So, why not let the ship shoot back? Would be more sportive, don't you agree?

If you play EVE just for the entertainment & fun then i think you will agree to what I said.( In case one is not playing EVE for entertainment & fun but only for playing the game for totally free (ISK without risk) to pay for subscriptions etc. well, such people would not agree with me.)

I take it you are just like me: playing & gladly paying for playing in an entertainment joyful way.

Thank you for your comment.

Forgot to mention: I am almost finishing training level V Minmatar BS: at present conditions even a BS would not be able to shoot back while being jumped incoming low-sec-gate. Would it not be sportive to let the BS shoot back when being jumped by 8 other ships? There would be very real possibility that the BS would take out 2 ( or even 3 ships) before being destructed.

But, as things are now: the BS cannot do anything since its sensors would be ECM-ed while coming in. One could as good decide to push the auto-destruct one self

Yes, a gang of 8 (bc's) ganging low-sec gate could loose 2 ships when they jump an incoming BS...but would that not be much more realistic. Such would keep the gang-members "on the edge"...alert....would be much more entertaining! (...unless players only play EVE because the risk = zer0%%%%%....imo zer%%-risk should not be applicable in PvP)

If you want to, you can use ECM too. Unfortunately, Minmatar Battleship V won't provide any bonuses to it :P

Thanks for your comment. Maybe consider the following:

The gang is the one having all the intel since they scanned the incoming ship already in the neighboring system. So the gang can easily make a fast estimate of the spoils beforehand (since the incoming ship will be destroyed for sure eventually). And in case the intel shows that it would be too much a risk to jump say for instance an incoming BS, well, then let it pass & wait for the next ship to come in.

I never stated that gate-camping fights should be or ever will be fair fights: of course such will never be fair fights at all. But, just as in real SciFi, lets bring in some sportiveness by letting the incoming ship at least being able to fire back at some of the gang-members before being destroyed. I think I do not have to explain to any player in EVE that "only being allowed to playing the role of a fully lame sitting duck" while being jumped at low-sec gates makes it interesting/entertainming at all to make the jump to low-sec at all.

Secondly: even if gangs loose 1 or 2 ships figting a lone incoming BC or BS, then still in practice there would be a lot of loot to compensate for since generally speaking, the loadouts of such incoming ships represent far more value than any possible losses of the gang-members; so, there will allways remain an interesting gain for the gangs, even if they "risk" to loose some ships in the process.

Last: contrary to incoming ships (which generally speaking have to possess a balanced loadout) some ships of gangs can be dedicated to be fitted , for instance a 100% focussed on high DPS, since other ships in the fleet do the other work (propulsion jamming, cap drainings, target painting, logistics etc.). So, any incoming lone ship (even BS) do not stand a chance whatsoever: but it for sure would be realy nice & sportive being allowed to shoot back & trying to take out 1 or 2 ships of the gang before going down.

Fyg: as earlier mentioned, I have a second account for scouting purposes (soon to be some covert ops cloaked) but the intel those can provide do not have any impact on reducing in any way the risk of jumping a low-sec gate (since the gangs can appear out of nothing in just some secs; they have many way to accomplish that, easily). And about estimating any spoils: can tell you out of practice that some solo durable BC (fleet or navy) = approx 500-650 mil isk & a solo BS (fleet or navy issue preferred for solo) some 800-1.200 mil; so gangs would never have to complain about any spoils to be earned in such fights(!)

So, imo opinion there are sound reasons to disable sensoring-ecm within a 150 km radius of low-sec gates. Such would not "dumb the game down" no, even to the contrary: it would enrich the tactical possibilities & entertaining value.

My intention was to put this interesting idea on the table together with clarifications for any possible further analyses by others. Now, having succeeded doing so, there is no need for me to comment on this issue myself any longer. It is up to others now: try to make up your minds about it in an objective way.