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AFK Ratting with Drones
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#21 - 2014-02-15 22:05:40 UTC
Douxo wrote:
Because buying a hulk is counterproductive if im not going to mine for a long time. i won't make my money back for the ammount of mining im planning to do, and high sec because i don't have a corp in low/null/WH


Retrievers are paper-thin: I have seen many lost in hi sec belts simply because their drones took too long to respond to NPC rats. Even if the rats don't blow up your retriever, it's likely that wandering gankers will.

If you're interested in making ISK, check out the Making ISK guide. AFK farming rats in a hi sec belt is possibly the most counter-productive suggestion I've heard for quite some time (short of simply giving your money away).

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#22 - 2014-02-15 22:06:58 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Probably illegal.

While it's not exactly the same issue, read this:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/regarding-afk-complex-farming-1/
Quote:
While this activity does not necessitate the use of a 3rd party program in order to carry it out you ARE generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping which is not being present playing the game. As such our automated systems will continue to detect and institute administrative actions for this activity.


That was specifically in response to camping a DED complex with sentry dominixes, where high value rats would continually respawn with no action taken by the capsuleer.

AFK mining in a retriever is not the same thing.

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Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-02-15 22:10:48 UTC
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts wrote:
AFK retriever in a belt in hisec is going to have a very short life span...

First you will get bumped out of mining range then once it has been ascertained that you are indeed AFK, in come the thrashers/catalysts to pop your retriever (and pod as well depending on who finds you).

In every way I can imagine, this is a bad idea. I hope you go through with it, however, as it is always nice to hear about AFK miners being ganked!


Thanks for the response, I'm glad i got 1 single person understand the question properly.
Everyone else suggested running missions.
Dunno about u J'Poll but i find missions while sleeping a bit trickier.
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-02-15 22:13:49 UTC
Nice attitude there Mr. AFK...

Well more power to you, however don't be surprised when your big AFK plans turn out to decrease your wallet instead of increase...

EVE is very much a non-AFK game, and anything which you may think will succeed in an AFK manner has already been found and is actively punished by various members of the population. To some people there is nothing better than finding someone who is AFK and setting up a big surprise for when they get back. So be prepared to meet them first hand. Twisted
Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2014-02-15 22:25:39 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Frank, look for the other thread from OP on this forum and a lot about this one will become clearer :)


Ooh...lol, it's the WH guy. Didn't even see that.


So, it does look like he is just wanting WH space for the ISKies and not for the community or common goals or PvP.
Good luck with that, or being AFK in WH space if you ever come into it.



Again, if you want to farm belt rats (I don't see why you would farm belt rats in high-sec for an income of less then 1mil / hour), pick a ratting ship.


If you read my initial question, and how every response you have given so far is, i don't understand why you bother.
"Pick a ratting ship for ratting"
"Do missions"
"If you want isk, you must only want isk from every aspect of the game including corps/other players"

1. The idea was that mining would spawn the rats, and the retreiver has a large hold so the civ miner can run longer, (yes i have been corrected by someone who gave good advice)
2. The question specifically pointed out - While AFK or Sleeping. Running missions is the dumbest response anyone could conjure.
3. Isk is a common goal of 95% of the EVE Community, if i don't make it, i can't get anywhere, why would you assume this is my only goal? If i wanted a game where all i did was hoard currency, i wouldn't choose EVE where it can be legally bought with IRL Wallet.

Please think about what you post before you post it, and how relevant it is going to be to the actual topic, to avoid posting incorrectly again,
-Love Douxo
Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-02-15 22:30:55 UTC
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts wrote:
Nice attitude there Mr. AFK...

Well more power to you, however don't be surprised when your big AFK plans turn out to decrease your wallet instead of increase...

EVE is very much a non-AFK game, and anything which you may think will succeed in an AFK manner has already been found and is actively punished by various members of the population. To some people there is nothing better than finding someone who is AFK and setting up a big surprise for when they get back. So be prepared to meet them first hand. Twisted


Yea thanks again for the advice, not sure if sarcasm on the nice attitude peice, just annoyed that more veteran players twist my words in an attempt to make me look ridiculous and them the wiser. Sorry if it offended you or if he is a friend of yours.
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-02-15 23:09:57 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
That was specifically in response to camping a DED complex with sentry dominixes, where high value rats would continually respawn with no action taken by the capsuleer.

AFK mining in a retriever is not the same thing.
Did you even read the OP? He was not thinking about mining, mining was just a mean for getting rats to spawn, he even said he'd use a civilian miner to make sure not to pop the asteroid/run out of carge space. It's pretty much the same thing as those DED complexes, except more stupidly executed with almost worthless rats.

And in any case, the problem is "generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping". CCP was clear that you will not get banned for being AFK to go to the toilet, eat something or being semi-AFK while doing something else on or around the computer. But generating income while sleeping or being out of the house is not ok, whatever the means.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-02-16 00:15:41 UTC
Douxo wrote:
Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts wrote:
AFK retriever in a belt in hisec is going to have a very short life span...

First you will get bumped out of mining range then once it has been ascertained that you are indeed AFK, in come the thrashers/catalysts to pop your retriever (and pod as well depending on who finds you).

In every way I can imagine, this is a bad idea. I hope you go through with it, however, as it is always nice to hear about AFK miners being ganked!


Thanks for the response, I'm glad i got 1 single person understand the question properly.
Everyone else suggested running missions.
Dunno about u J'Poll but i find missions while sleeping a bit trickier.


HAHAHA

Good luck with your retriever while sleeping.

Running locator now, see how good that retriever does while you sleep and I test my Catalyst gunnery skills.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-02-16 00:18:33 UTC
Douxo wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Frank, look for the other thread from OP on this forum and a lot about this one will become clearer :)


Ooh...lol, it's the WH guy. Didn't even see that.


So, it does look like he is just wanting WH space for the ISKies and not for the community or common goals or PvP.
Good luck with that, or being AFK in WH space if you ever come into it.



Again, if you want to farm belt rats (I don't see why you would farm belt rats in high-sec for an income of less then 1mil / hour), pick a ratting ship.


If you read my initial question, and how every response you have given so far is, i don't understand why you bother.
"Pick a ratting ship for ratting"
"Do missions"
"If you want isk, you must only want isk from every aspect of the game including corps/other players"

1. The idea was that mining would spawn the rats, and the retreiver has a large hold so the civ miner can run longer, (yes i have been corrected by someone who gave good advice)
2. The question specifically pointed out - While AFK or Sleeping. Running missions is the dumbest response anyone could conjure.
3. Isk is a common goal of 95% of the EVE Community, if i don't make it, i can't get anywhere, why would you assume this is my only goal? If i wanted a game where all i did was hoard currency, i wouldn't choose EVE where it can be legally bought with IRL Wallet.

Please think about what you post before you post it, and how relevant it is going to be to the actual topic, to avoid posting incorrectly again,
-Love Douxo


On 2.

No not really, EVE isn't an AFK farming game. Go ahead, play it AFK, you will lose more ISK then you gain.

On 3.

No. For 99% of EVE, having fun is the goal. Not ISK, that is used to achieve the thing that gives them fun.

If you find sleeping while losing retrievers fun, go ahead.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-02-16 00:20:44 UTC
Thomas Builder wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
That was specifically in response to camping a DED complex with sentry dominixes, where high value rats would continually respawn with no action taken by the capsuleer.

AFK mining in a retriever is not the same thing.
Did you even read the OP? He was not thinking about mining, mining was just a mean for getting rats to spawn, he even said he'd use a civilian miner to make sure not to pop the asteroid/run out of carge space. It's pretty much the same thing as those DED complexes, except more stupidly executed with almost worthless rats.

And in any case, the problem is "generating income in an automated fashion while sleeping". CCP was clear that you will not get banned for being AFK to go to the toilet, eat something or being semi-AFK while doing something else on or around the computer. But generating income while sleeping or being out of the house is not ok, whatever the means.


True.

I know something more fun then blowing up OP now.

Fraps him
Blow him up.
Report him for breaking rules

Thanks guys for reminder on automation / farming rules.

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Douxo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-02-17 09:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Douxo
*EDIT* Removed my comments about him being wrong again.

Hopefully this ends this thread.
Jared Lennox
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-02-17 14:36:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jared Lennox
Douxo wrote:
Is it against the rules, to take a Retreiver into a 0.6 Mining Belt, launch 5 drones, and use a Civilian miner to sit AFK for a very very long time, causing rats to spawn and have your drones auto-farm for you?



It's not against the rules afaik. But expect to lose your ship sooner or later. Suicide Gankers will 100% gank you if they see you AFK. Why would you rat in 0.5-0.6 systems anyway? And also in a mining ship? It's like drawing a huge red bullseye on your back.

Edit: Besides, telling you are going to be AFK on forums is usually a bad idea. People will run Locator Agents to find you, gank you, collect tears from you, and mock you around. Plus, with a civilian miner on a mining barge/exhumer would make a very embarrasing kill mail. Your loss will be exposed in such convos as a fail fit and noobish behaviour.

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
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