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FOR THE FEDERATION !!!

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Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#21 - 2014-02-16 09:36:02 UTC
Oh, look, another person who thinks there's such a thing as 'choices' in this world and has no choice but to start defending the ability to choose things to have no choice about.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu

Erica Dusette
Division 13
#22 - 2014-02-16 11:06:23 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
It is apparent from the comments here, that the majority of those who choose to remark on the Intergalactic Summit, hold reservations against the Federation, and do not take kindly to Gallente loyalists.

You pre-date many here, and even this conflict, yet you only just worked this out?

Honestly though I believe it goes both ways, although it's true that 'Gallente loyalists' do seem to have lost some of their morale lately and haven't been as present or vocal around the IGS as some times in the past. Well, other than a bit of whining or pointless chest-beating here n' there, ah.

Anyway pilot, not quite sure what kind of reception you were expecting but since you're the enemy I can't very well go wishing you good luck now can I? I think the best I can muster is to wish you an honorable death, over and over again.

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#23 - 2014-02-16 12:16:10 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
May you fight the good fight, sir.

Please ignore the nay-sayers. Hard-bitten cynicism and a world-weary demeanor are fashionable among capsuleers.


I came by my cynicism honestly enough, Hanaya. I don't see where you've earned the right to colour it as fashion.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Rin Valador
Professional Amateurs
#24 - 2014-02-16 15:16:29 UTC
Ill give him say, 5 to 7 days before he realizes what he really got himself into.

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10

Sadie Veerin
#25 - 2014-02-16 18:28:33 UTC
You should provide us with regular updates as to where you find your ideals in the conflict. I am curious.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#26 - 2014-02-16 23:19:54 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
May you fight the good fight, sir.

Please ignore the nay-sayers. Hard-bitten cynicism and a world-weary demeanor are fashionable among capsuleers.


I came by my cynicism honestly enough, Hanaya. I don't see where you've earned the right to colour it as fashion.

I don't think I need to earn the right to point out the obvious.

If your cynicism is honest, you needn't assume that the comment referred to you as this thread hardly lacks for cynical Empyreans.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Isus Jarode
Bondage Goat Zombie
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#27 - 2014-02-17 00:04:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Isus Jarode
Neighbor and fellow Capsuleer,

I'm impressed by your determination and your love for our country, if not a little perturbed by your youth. But that will be resolved given time and experience.

I would insist that you turn away from the factionalism which tears our great nation from its roots. Our people stand for freedom, free love, free pleasure, and free thinking. Your predecessors have shoved the Caldari warhawks back into their nests and done their part in aiding our Minmatar friends. I say it's time we turn to peace. The Caldari were the aggressors - and they've been rightly punished. Their Leviathan stands poised on Caldari Prime for each of their employees to witness. They're in retreat. I say we let them lick their wounds and digest their mistake.

We are not soldiers by nature, brother - we are artists, explorers, a testament to human idealism! Take your one-man army and turn it into a one-man mission: fly through the Republic, learn to love our friends the Minmatar, for they are a brave and brutal sort which remind us what it means to be free. Take a turn in Caldari space and learn to appreciate their ways too - they have a place in the universe, and though it's not our place, they have a right to live as capitalists all do.

As for the Amarr? Well... let's not discuss the Amarr.

So come home neighbor, have a drink and wrap your arm around a lover. Remind yourself of what it is to be Gallentean before you lose yourself in the throws of war.

Regardless of your decision, please fly safe.
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#28 - 2014-02-17 01:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Noden Vorpalstar
I am not driven by hatred of capitalism, nor even of the Caldari themselves. I've met a few honest Caldari in the past myself, and I am very pro-capitalistic.

I am driven by a distrust of Corporate-Slaveism, and the mindless greed such a system creates. I am against the threat it presents to our free Federation.

While it is true, as Gallenteans we enjoy a great freedom, it must be preserved through vigilance and pro-action.

We must not turn a blind eye, and appeasement is not an option, for the jack boots of the State would no sooner march down our streets.

Public Channel:  Polaris-Public Roleplaying Channel:  Gallente Lounge

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#29 - 2014-02-17 01:53:36 UTC
Can I ask an honest question, sir? What do you mean by "corporate slaveism"? We don't use the term here obviously, so I really don't have any idea what it means beyond "I don't like the State".

While you may not welcome jackboots (nor would I encourage you to), I do hope that you welcome other sorts of State footwear.
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#30 - 2014-02-17 02:08:11 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Can I ask an honest question, sir? What do you mean by "corporate slaveism"? We don't use the term here obviously, so I really don't have any idea what it means beyond "I don't like the State".

While you may not welcome jackboots (nor would I encourage you to), I do hope that you welcome other sorts of State footwear.


Ms. Scherezad, the term "corporate slavism" is one I heard long ago, although I do not recall exactly where I picked up the term. Perhaps amongst family and friends before I elected for the capsular life.

As is well known 'The Caldari State' is ruled by mega corporations, and each Caldari citizen is expected to serve their corporation with unquestioning loyalty. Slave like. Hence my use of the term "corporate slavism'.

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#31 - 2014-02-17 02:41:52 UTC
Msr. Vorpalstar.

It is good to see metal in our youth.

The legacy of rights we enjoy are worthy of your efforts.

You will find our Federations worst enemies are the ones who most enjoy its rights.

Cynicism and sloth abound and our foes are many.

But take comfort and courage, you have more friends than you know.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-02-17 02:57:04 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:


I am driven by a distrust of Corporate-Slaveism, and the mindless greed such a system creates. I am against the threat it presents to our free Federation.


Like what? Trying to sell you something?

Oh the humanity!

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Sadie Veerin
#33 - 2014-02-17 03:53:06 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Can I ask an honest question, sir? What do you mean by "corporate slaveism"? We don't use the term here obviously, so I really don't have any idea what it means beyond "I don't like the State".

While you may not welcome jackboots (nor would I encourage you to), I do hope that you welcome other sorts of State footwear.


Ms. Scherezad, the term "corporate slavism" is one I heard long ago, although I do not recall exactly where I picked up the term. Perhaps amongst family and friends before I elected for the capsular life.

As is well known 'The Caldari State' is ruled by mega corporations, and each Caldari citizen is expected to serve their corporation with unquestioning loyalty. Slave like. Hence my use of the term "corporate slavism'.



This is hardly a sufficient explanation of your invented terminology. Perhaps you should first become knowledgeable about slavery before misusing it again.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2014-02-17 04:46:46 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Can I ask an honest question, sir? What do you mean by "corporate slaveism"? We don't use the term here obviously, so I really don't have any idea what it means beyond "I don't like the State".

While you may not welcome jackboots (nor would I encourage you to), I do hope that you welcome other sorts of State footwear.


Ms. Scherezad, the term "corporate slavism" is one I heard long ago, although I do not recall exactly where I picked up the term. Perhaps amongst family and friends before I elected for the capsular life.

As is well known 'The Caldari State' is ruled by mega corporations, and each Caldari citizen is expected to serve their corporation with unquestioning loyalty. Slave like. Hence my use of the term "corporate slavism'.




The State is ruled by Corporations in much the same way that the Federation is ruled by Political Parties.

In other words, each is a conglomerate membership of enfranchised individuals and works to service their interests. It's actually closer to say that the Corporations work to serve their shareholders than it is to say that the shareholders work to serve the corporations.

Heiian is the guiding principle of the Caldari State - which is to say that individual citizens are expected to set aside personal benefits and resources for the good of the population as a whole. Nowhere will you find enshrined the idea that the 'whole' which is to be served is some faceless and inhuman concept - such as 'Liberty' or 'Freedom'.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Sadie Veerin
#35 - 2014-02-17 13:37:13 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Heiian is the guiding principle of the Caldari State - which is to say that individual citizens are expected to set aside personal benefits and resources for the good of the population as a whole. Nowhere will you find enshrined the idea that the 'whole' which is to be served is some faceless and inhuman concept - such as 'Liberty' or 'Freedom'.


This quite accurately, if succinctly, engenders our focus. The whole begins and ends with the community we are a part of. We have no use for placing mercurial, transient concepts above our community. Others may live how they see fit, organize their values how they see fit, but they do themselves no favor if they use hyper-individualism to refer to everyone else's values as "slave-like".
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2014-02-17 15:40:05 UTC
Slavery, in other words, is imposed.

Corporate citizenship is embraced.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
#37 - 2014-02-18 04:16:45 UTC
Those who are subjects to Corporate-Slavism are in most cases highly unlikely to realize the predicament of their situation. I suppose one who is thoroughly ingrained within the Corporate State system could live a fairly meaningful, if not blissfully ignorant existence for the most part.

The problem however is in the risk of this ideology spreading, planet by planet, system by system. Only the individual freedom which a just society can bring, can truly break the chains.

For now, I believe that we can all agree to disagree.

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Sadie Veerin
#38 - 2014-02-18 04:42:42 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
Those who are subjects to Corporate-Slavism are in most cases highly unlikely to realize the predicament of their situation. I suppose one who is thoroughly ingrained within the Corporate State system could live a fairly meaningful, if not blissfully ignorant existence for the most part.

The problem however is in the risk of this ideology spreading, planet by planet, system by system. Only the individual freedom which a just society can bring, can truly break the chains.

For now, I believe that we can all agree to disagree.


That phrase is meaningless if one side cannot even articulate a meaningful position. There are plenty of Federation citizens with self-contained ideological stances that, while I obviously would disagree with, are coherent. You should aspire to being one of them.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#39 - 2014-02-18 06:20:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Scherezad
Thank you for your comments, sir. I have some questons, if you can indulge me.

Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
Those who are subjects to Corporate-Slavism are in most cases highly unlikely to realize the predicament of their situation.

Could I ask you to be a little more tight with your definitions, sir, and to provide some sort of support for your premises? Do you have any evidence that I, as a corporate slave, would be unable to recognize the state? Every known case of socially-accepted slavery systems includes an awareness that a slave is, indeed, a slave. What's different about this case?

Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
I suppose one who is thoroughly ingrained within the Corporate State system could live a fairly meaningful, if not blissfully ignorant existence for the most part.

. . . For now, I believe that we can all agree to disagree.

If we are able to live lives of meaning and dignity, sir, then what issue do you have? Isn't that a worthwhile goal for a life?Isn't that everyones' goal?
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#40 - 2014-02-18 07:58:29 UTC
Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
Those who are subjects to Corporate-Slavism are in most cases highly unlikely to realize the predicament of their situation.

Haha, slavism? What is that, some kind of Amarrian fetish?

It's a little hard to hear you over the sound of freedom, occasionally punctuated by wormhole flares.

I'll ask my superiors about this corporate-slave thing next time I'm visiting Nourv in my State-sponsored shuttle for another highly paid holoshoot followed by free fine-dining at Jita 4-4 and a couple hours signing posters.

Anyway, how goes your Federal service thus far?

Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!

Part-Time Wormhole Pirate Full-Time Supermodel

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