Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Energy neutralizers have 3 advantages over all other ewar:

1- Only weapon system that doesn't suffer from decreasing power (even ewar does to some extent by decreasing probability of each jammer) when more than 1 neut is applied.

2- They work against all ships (at least shutting down hardners), or shutting the whole ship down.

3- They can be easily fitted with a tank without harming jamming power, drones not to affect shooting power.

Even with cap boosters it is extremely difficult to counter them, and they completely wreck active tanking ships, a solo pvper has little chance to win (lowering the minuscule chance of him losing for going solo in the first place) when there is a neuting ship on grid.

Why not make neuts have stacking penalties? And even move that to ecm also? That way they are still powerful against a gang but weaker when applied to the same target.

If balance to capitals is threatned maybe the balance should not apply to capitals or something. Anyways why is the game design decision that these modules should not have a stacking penalty?

I am not saying blanket nerf them, all I am saying is just making them weaker when more than 5 of them are applied to the same ship, yes they wont shut down most guns, but they have a 100% landing and shutting, prop mod, tank, and even half of the guns. Them not working on drones is not a weakness, as all other ewar doesn't.

Or even at least give us a module that we can counter them with, cap boosters are not enough against a a couple of neuts and that other large capacitor reservoir sux.

All other ecm systems shut down offensive capabilities (not even fully) and can't be fit with a tank on most ships. Neuts do both and you can have 7 neuts, a beast tank, and good dps. Even if they take fittings if they replace guns on a drone ship that is a minor consideration at best.

I don't like the fact that every time I solo in a active tanked ship (even with cap boosters fitted), I have to avoid all gangs that can have more than 2 neuts, and I can't even refit any module to counter them.

It is such a hard counter to solo ships that it is a little unbalanced, I mean I understand you have to be weak against something, but give me tools to counter it.

Have you ever used cap batteries? They are one of the most useless mods in the game, a cap recharger is more effective. If I know what the enemy has and even with a refit I can't take them, then there is a problem. Neuts effectively stops a whole game style, which is solo pvp. I am not saying I should be able to counter it easily, I just don't want to get capped instantly and have a chance to get a couple of rep cycles.

A Cap Recharger doesn't reduce the Neutralizer effect on your ship.

If you know that the enemy has neuts and you are certain that you cannot engage them in a closest range brawl, then you cannot do so. Neuts don't shut down solo PVP. They force you to think and, for example, use kiting ships instead of close range brawlers. If you go shield, you can use ASBs, which rep even when you don't have cap. This is, of course, not an option in armor ships because CCP failed to put that en par with shield, but then you can use your cap boosters and jams or damps in the mids to keep people away from you, while you fly circles around them outside neutralizer range.

So who killed your solo vargur with a decent gang?

If every other weapon & ewar in EVE actually affected certain races more than others you might have some argument. But Neuts just shaft certain weapon types & armour tanks a lot more than anything else. And when they are almost the only thing like that (Smart drones vs drones is the only other one but drones have immunities & resistances vs other Ewar in return, Lasers & Hybrids don't, they just get screwed by everything) it is bad design.

Neuts are not e-war. Why should they be subject to e-war penalties?

Not to mention range.

I mean, if we were to go back to comparing cap-warfare to e-warfare for some reason, you'd at least have to bring up the range aspect of it, with most EWAR able to hit consistently out to 50+km, and neuts having a (pre-bonus) maximum range of 6/12/25km approximately.

Do passive tanks with ASBs not exist anymore?

turrets suffer stacking penalties?

passive shield resist amps say hi. You'd use these in level 5 on says rattlesnake. It also adds to the reasons to not gank them unless you have mega alpha. Yes you can cap it out to affect its passive regen. Based on security level of space it may have the buffer and the passive resist profile to have it live long enough to see concord save them however.

I know the resist amps are not loved by all. I happen to like them though. Pita to get max use from them with skill trains but...can be worth it when you get there.