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INB4 nerf Hybrid rage...
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Aethanite
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-27 03:20:17 UTC
Just saying ...
Azver Deroven
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-11-27 07:08:02 UTC
I wonder if this becomes an epic thread in 2 days.

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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-11-27 11:05:07 UTC
About what should people rage? Except for frigs the changes are quite underwhelming and don't address the core problems.

Btw would be the first nerf hybrids thread I would read in 5 years, you didn't even had them during the hey days of blaster pvp. Only exception was the Eos and Myrmidon(guess what because of drones, not hybrids), what was mostly a utility med + nos thing to feed and field very good tanks for solo/small gang pvp on top of the good DPS.
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-11-27 11:07:35 UTC
Winmatar projectiles remain as the Premium weaponsystem so why would anyone rage about the hybrids being less **** ?
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#5 - 2011-11-27 11:39:37 UTC
I say sir! This "nerf hybrid" issue shall become moot as soon as the new is expansion is launched! The common populace shall not be swayed by their newfangled "hybrid turret boost"! To say such a thing is lunacy!

/monocle and top hat
Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
#6 - 2011-11-27 12:15:44 UTC
People whined about the the Laser buff wasn't enough, then whined about how OP they are. People whined that the projectile buff wasn't enough, and now people whine about how OP they are.

Will history repeat itself?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-27 12:54:50 UTC
Lady Skank wrote:
People whined about the the Laser buff wasn't enough, then whined about how OP they are. People whined that the projectile buff wasn't enough, and now people whine about how OP they are.

Will history repeat itself?



people whined that the hybrid buff wasn't enough, and people will whine why hybrid buff wasn't enough.

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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#8 - 2011-11-27 18:44:00 UTC
Grimpak wrote:



people whined that the hybrid buff wasn't enough, and people will whine why hybrid buff wasn't enough.


This
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#9 - 2011-11-27 19:59:41 UTC
Grimpak wrote:

people whined that the hybrid buff wasn't enough, and people will whine why hybrid buff wasn't enough.


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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-27 20:03:58 UTC
Captain Nares wrote:
Grimpak wrote:

people whined that the hybrid buff wasn't enough, and people will whine why hybrid buff wasn't enough.


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Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-11-27 20:57:26 UTC
They are really buffing projectiles by reducing the falloff penalty of hail, and getting rid of the tracking penalty on quake.

Winmatar will still Win Eve
Dare Devel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-11-27 23:18:46 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Lady Skank wrote:
People whined about the the Laser buff wasn't enough, then whined about how OP they are. People whined that the projectile buff wasn't enough, and now people whine about how OP they are.

Will history repeat itself?



people whined that the hybrid buff wasn't enough, and people will whine why hybrid buff wasn't enough.



Amen
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-28 01:47:30 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
They are really buffing projectiles by reducing the falloff penalty of hail, and getting rid of the tracking penalty on quake.

Winmatar will still Win Eve


Most people who fly minmatar still won't use Hail. Unlike others, we have no significant optimal to offset that falloff loss. Hail is still fail.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#14 - 2011-11-28 11:36:51 UTC
Link context please OP

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Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-11-28 20:45:16 UTC
Azver Deroven wrote:
I wonder if this becomes an epic thread in 2 days.


Nerf what? -they're already burned to the ground since 3 years do you really think it's some crap +10% and 5% speed, some tracking and crap dmg increase it's going to make them fotom??


If you really think so you've never tested those on SISI and you're speculating on peanuts arguments...really dumb.
Ho wait, talos will put 1400dps on your face at the undock at gates and on miners...of course gallente navy only won their frontiers on kicking scrub's asses at the undocks....

Stupid rabbits....
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-11-28 21:13:55 UTC
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
Verity Sovereign wrote:
They are really buffing projectiles by reducing the falloff penalty of hail, and getting rid of the tracking penalty on quake.

Winmatar will still Win Eve


Most people who fly minmatar still won't use Hail. Unlike others, we have no significant optimal to offset that falloff loss. Hail is still fail.



Blasters have no significant optimal either (consider the light electron vs 125 auto guns , 1000m vs 800m, not a huge difference), they take the same falloff penalty, and they have an additional 25% cap use penalty.

Auto's range determinant is falloff, hail reduces it 50%
Blasters range determinant is falloff, void reduces it 50% and adds +25% cap usage
Pulse's range determinant is Optimal, conflag reduces it 50% and adds a +25% cap usage penalty

All 3 basically reduce the weapons range by 50%, hail is the one without an additional penalty, while the other two use a lot more cap.

If anything, the cap penalties of the otthers should be removed, instead of the range penalty of hail.

Hail is useless? so is void and conflag
People basically use two ammo types, the short range faction ammo (multi/antimatter/ EMP/Phased/Fusion), or the long range T2 ammo (scorch, null, barrage).

So I do see a need to buff hail, and null, and conflag....
But they only buff hail

W
T
F

Its BS, Its like the Winmatard balance is a continuous joke that CCP keeps playing on us.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-11-28 21:25:31 UTC
oh no my eagle one shot pods , and with the new killmails show implants I bet those embarased angry matars will ask for a nerf ...
poor fellas only had 1 day until retirement :(
Julia Connor
P R O M E T H E U S
From Anoikis
#18 - 2011-11-28 22:14:57 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:


Winmatar will still Win Eve


AMEN.
Songbird
#19 - 2011-11-29 03:12:21 UTC
I can actually see hybrid power rising now.

I can see 2 scimitars and a bunch of the new hybrid BC's roaming around - have you guys seen the speed of the talos overheated shield fit? 1000 base dps should not be able to fly around with more than 2200 m/s . Add to the heavy punchers nagas as webbing/scramming and even ( although it would sound weird for caldari hybrid boat) DPS in their own right.

P.S.

I know shield talos sounds like a bad idea but shield has no speed penalties and repair cycle of the logistic starts in the beginning + 1 invuln + 1 EM rig and you have decent resists across. And besides, scimitars, it's what gangs use.

Not sure how correct my EFT is - it doesn't show any space for drones, plus I'm sure it's a subject to change
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#20 - 2011-11-29 20:41:49 UTC
Songbird wrote:
I can actually see hybrid power rising now.

I can see 2 scimitars and a bunch of the new hybrid BC's roaming around - have you guys seen the speed of the talos overheated shield fit? 1000 base dps should not be able to fly around with more than 2200 m/s . Add to the heavy punchers nagas as webbing/scramming and even ( although it would sound weird for caldari hybrid boat) DPS in their own right.

P.S.

I know shield talos sounds like a bad idea but shield has no speed penalties and repair cycle of the logistic starts in the beginning + 1 invuln + 1 EM rig and you have decent resists across. And besides, scimitars, it's what gangs use.

Not sure how correct my EFT is - it doesn't show any space for drones, plus I'm sure it's a subject to change


The Talos can carry 5 lights.
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