EVE General Discussion

No, it's not giving permission. The same example in the prior post applies. The point is that permission isn't required, but that doesn't conflate to actually giving permission.

If permission were given we wouldn't likely have suicide ganks as everyone would just accept duel requests since they were giving explicit permission to be destroyed.

best post in this thread. new players take notice - this player has won EVE.

The number and magnitude of insults and self righteousness in those two posts is downright impressive.

Okay, so you didn't consent to having your **** blown up.
We'll still blow your **** up.
Hope that helps.

True understanding of eve consent verses acknowledgement.

While your spinning your ship in station you acknowledge that eve is a ruthless pvp universe of tear collecting fanatics.

Consent is when you click the undock and leave your safe station into eve's ruthless pvp universe filled with tear collecting fanatics.

Simple

Just when you think things can't get sillier on General Discussion, this thread lol.

Who gives a frak (sorry, watching BSG 3rd season and feeling all Colonial again) about what word you use. The meaning is the same: if you install EVE online, log in and make a character, play the game for a bit and undock anything from a pod on up outside of one of the newb systems, other players of EVE online can and sometimes will shoot bullets/lasers/missiles at you and sometimes your imaginary spaceship will explode. The ONLY way to prevent this from happening is to never undock a ship in EVE online.

The saying "you consent to pvp if you undock" came as a reaction to the unreasonable and nonsensical 'players' who you make the CHOICE to play EVE online (a game that features, as a corner stone of it's design, Non-Consensual pvp), would then get a ship blown up playing EVE online, and who would then complain loudly about this (not only to the community via the forums, but to ccp via petitions).

These players are irksome because rather than take responsibility for their choices (the 1st of which was to play EVE) and keep things in context (no matter how much emotional value you give things in EVE online, they are still pixels on a screen), they demand that EVE itself be changed to prevent whatever stupid thing they just allowed to happen to them. This irritates many of us because EVE is one of the few games that allows for actual adults that don't need to be spoon fed unlike almost the entire rest of the video game world.

Quibble over the word used all you like, it doesn't change the sentiment behind why we use the word like we do.

Awesome
Just quit [expletive deleted] the English language up while you do it. There are non-native, non-fluent English speakers in the game and on the forums and you are setting a bad example by misusing words.

The problem is not really the players whose game is all about blowing up stuff.

It's those who blow stuff up and then hide behind dumb platitudes like this consent thing. What they are really doing is the "passive aggressive hate" thing. It's the end result of too many little kids left in front of the TV when Oprah was on and then they grew up to play Eve. Hence the false consensus angle - they were raised on it.

The most respectable players I ever met (and in some cases, the hard way) were those who outright say they want to kill you (in game) and log in to do just that. They don't hide behind the consent excuse, nor the "this is the sandbox" platitude either. They don't have that mental illness of feeling like they need an excuse for everything.

I blame politics for it: nobody is "allowed" to just say they do what they do because THEY CAN. It's always "because I need/will die/cannot survive without". People who are true to their actions and take responsibility for it and don't passive-aggressively apologize in such a manner that's intended to make themselves look like the victim while hiding behind some "greater holy or false-consensus-built ideal" are in fact the best players you can meet in this game.

.. even when they are peeling your ship like a banana

I dont understand why people have a problem with keeping themselves alive,

Isn't New Eden a Godless place where we the people have the freedom to create our own fate? Why do people demand that Gods are created to do the things they are unwilling to do themselves?

To some there are exploits, to others they have put thought into working out how to acheive their goals. There is no morality except that which we make, but if you cannot enforce your artifice of morality, then who will?

Keep yourself alive keep yourself alive
It'll take you all your time and a money
Honey you'll survive

QUESTION: Do people acknowledge their acceptance of PVP or do they consent to the PVP?

ANSWER: It doesn't matter!