Ships & Modules

That's a bit of an extreme and stupid analogy.

Game code logic is a bit more restrictive and deterministic than human mental impulses. There's of course no in-built if-then-else chain in the human brain that halts what society considers to be a Bad Thing. So stop with these stupid analogies.

This man brings up an excellent point. Furthermore, since carriers have over twice the capacity of an Orca's SMA, a person using one in low/null sec and wormholes (only places where carriers can go) they can engage with any subcap, whereas with an Orca you're limited to BC-sized hulls.

Playing undocking games in a pimped out faction BS on a lowsec station and can't tank the DPS before 1 minute of de-aggro is up? Undock your carrier, Board shuttle in its SMA from space, and off you go.

So CCP, the "avoiding combat" reason you give in the OP for nerfing the Orca in highsec is a complete lie. You did it because enough missioning carebears who are completely clueless as to what can happen to them, or are too unaware of the quite adequate existing Game Mechanics to address mission flippers correctly, complained.

You need to either revert this change or make it apply to ALL ships with SMAs regardless of location. My demand is that you revert and give the true reason as to why this was done in the first place.

There's a plain distinction between outrage over changing a long-existing game mechanic and calling it a bug (which CCP had already broke once in the recent past and admitted at the time it was a mistake and reverted it) and tears. Shall we review the copious threads where mission runners complain about being permajammed by Guristas rats after the NPC ECM changes? Would you call those tears, or outrage over a broken game mechanic?

Not to mention the fact that this bug fix, as they call it, is targeted specifically at a class of ship in a class of space, when the cause of this purported bug they cite can still happen with other ship classes in other classes of space, and does quite often.

A) CCP cites it as an avoidance of combat.
B) So they implement this change to the Orca in Highsec.
C) When this same way of avoiding conflict can be accomplished in areas other than Highsec with not only an Orca, but a Carrier as well.

You tell me if the reasoning CCP cites for making this change rings true or not.

So, no, this is not moar tears. This is yet another example of CCP shitting the game mechanics because of a vocal minority and implementing it in a way that is now, for CCP, characteristically myopic and in bad faith.

The reason CCP should have used is that it's OP as ****. Maybe it's not avoidance of combat, but definitely avoidance of risk (which is so un-eve-like).

How this even applies to low/null sec, I have no idea.

As I said before, Mission runners who get flipped in a mission can summon their corpmates as the flipper is flagged to the entire corp. Any number of them can come running to assist in anything from frigates to battleships to address the situation, regardless if the flipper switches from a frigate to a battlecruiser out of an Orca.

If the MR cannot do this, or his corpmates are unwilling or unable, well, them's the breaks as they say. The MR can go on about his ratting or choose to aggress the flipper.

If you want to talk about things that are OP, how about neutral cyno alts in low/nullsec that have 10 moms and a titan bridge on the other side of it. Should we disallow jumping to cynos that are thrown up by a out-of-corp or out-of-alliance toon? No. It's a distinct risk, and one that has its own counters.

The Orca being nerfed as it is is clearly CCP addressing a whinging crowd who hasn't bothered to think things through.

Even if the flipper swaps into a BC from a Orca, the mission runner can have n corpmates making a bee line for him in any ship imaginable. How many times have I seen a ninja flip a mission runner, only for the mission runner to aggress, the MR swap from a Orca, and then 5 of the mission runner's corpmates are on grid owning the ninja's butt wit hthe ninja webbed down and the Orca being bumped away? Many times.

Being in a non-NPC corp, one could argue, is even more OP than a Orca swap. The MR has his entire cop to back him up. If they don't take advantage of this feature of the game, then that's just too bad for them.



See above.

Few months back I flipped a can flippers can. He attacked my "helpless hauler" in a dram and soon found that the one sided fight was going in favor of the hauler. So in warps the orca and he swaps out to a vagabond. I stick around to see if I could tank him but was forced to dock.

Almost bagged me a dram

awwwww, moar tears pwease

What does the ninja's corpmates have to do with this? The ninja's corpmates can't do crap. Each and every one of the mission runner's corpmates can.